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  • William Walter Uren, BC and New York, 1872 - 1943

    This is my most recent brickwall, and I am looking for advice on a missing wife.

    William Walter Uren was born in 1872, Savona, BC Canada. By 1898 he is in New York, USA. I have the marriage certificates for his two known wives.

    Marriage Certificate 14948, New York City
    William W Uren to Katie A. Hungerschaffer, 30 November 1899
    His parents are correct, as is his birth place. However he is down as widowed, and it is a second marriage.
    He and Katie are in the 1900 census, Manhattan, New York.
    They had three children, but only two survived - Robert Byron and Viola Maud.

    Marriage Certificate 1198, State of New York
    William W. Uren to Clara Schneider, 30 October 1904
    His father is correct, as is his birthplace. However once again he is widowed and it is his second marriage!
    William, Clara and his two children from Katie are all on the 1910 Brooklyn, New York Census.

    How can I find about what happened to Catherine Alicia Uren, aka Katie Uren nee Hungerschaffer ? I have ancestry world, but haven't been able to find a death for her. Are the death records incomplete? Could they have divorced ? Where else can I look?

    Everyone mentioned here is dead. Any ideas or pointers gratefully received.

    bcbrit

    George, Uren, Toy - Cornwall. Barrows, Blair, Bowyer, Freeth, Green, Manie - London

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    No joy this pass -
    * FamilySearch in the past has had more detailed transcriptions of NY CivReg than Ancestry. Ancestry seems to have caught up - I think? But FS's "improved" search facility is, well, not.

    * My experience with NY's recording of BMD is pretty positive, especially after 1900, especially for marriages and deaths. Births ... well, usually, but better among non-immigrant populations.

    * We don't know where she died - had she gone to Albany and died there? BMD in those days was likely tied to county records, not to the state.

    * Lots of opportunity for mistranscription with these names.

    * Newspapers often provided clues, tho NY times were typically only death notices. I looked briefly at Ancestry, but I don't know if they've changed their catalog and moved the info to another ppv website.

    * There is a 1905 NY census, it would be interesting to try to find him in that census.

    * Did you notice in the 1900 that she stated she had had 3 children, 2 living? Doubt that helps. Also, as near as I can tell, FS botched the family's transcription in the 1900. Unfortunately, I don't think they've developed a notification method for corrections.

    * Divorce - yes, it happened, even among the less wealthy. I don't think there's an online index, but I don't know for certain.
    Last edited by PhotoFamily; 20-12-21, 02:32.
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    • #3
      hiya

      Have you looked at www.findagrave.com to see if she is there?

      I agree with you PhotoFamily FS interface now is dire and IMHO a step backwards... don't like it at all.
      Last edited by Darksecretz; 20-12-21, 11:38.
      Julie
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      • #4
        I can only see this:

        Name: Katherine S. Hungerschoefer
        Death Date: 11 Apr 1918
        Death Place: Albany, New York, USA
        Certificate Number: 20685

        the entry is typed onto the paper so if it was transcribed from a register they may have misread the entry?

        https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NDAwMDEwNzIuMA..

        not much else is forthcoming I'm afraid.
        Julie
        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

        .......I find dead people

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        • #5
          Do you think she might have been buried with her child?
          Julie
          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

          .......I find dead people

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          • #6
            FS has some sort of index to NYC divorces. Sign in and you can look at the images. Names beginning with 'U' start on page 201

            https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...200&cat=235832

            No joy there that I could see, but I don't take offense if someone double checks my homework.

            Also -
            They could have divorced elsewhere, and divorce records are usually held in the county of the divorce. So, you'd have to know where to look

            I'm not sure if the records I found are the best/only place to look
            Last edited by PhotoFamily; 20-12-21, 17:33.
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            • #7
              BCB, you've probably found a lot of the things on Ancestry, but here's William's page on FAG, which connects to one son and Clara's page as well
              https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...am-walter-uren

              Captain? haven't seen a clue for that
              Last edited by PhotoFamily; 20-12-21, 18:45.
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              • #8
                William's obit
                William W. Uren
                Male
                56 East Sunrise Highway, Merrick
                1943
                25 Jun 1943
                Brooklyn, New York, USA
                The Brooklyn Daily Eagle
                Clara Uren
                Viola Sturm Robert Uren
                https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui.../3687388:61843

                So, it used to be that the Brooklyn Daily Eagle was free to view thru the NY library, but I think they sold it off to Newspapers.com. Anyone have a sub? Still, the transcription doesn't mention Kittie, so I'm suspicious that it may skip that part of his life.

                Also, look up for Viola's obit
                https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui...23418156:61843
                Last edited by PhotoFamily; 20-12-21, 18:26.
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                • #9
                  There is this death for a Catherine Uren in New Jersey in 1903, which fits in with the time scale, but I can't find out anything more about her


                  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NDAwMjQ2NjguMA..
                  Linda


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
                    I can only see this:

                    Name: Katherine S. Hungerschoefer
                    Death Date: 11 Apr 1918
                    Death Place: Albany, New York, USA
                    Certificate Number: 20685

                    the entry is typed onto the paper so if it was transcribed from a register they may have misread the entry?

                    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NDAwMDEwNzIuMA..

                    not much else is forthcoming I'm afraid.
                    without buying the cert, I doubt we'll know for certain, but this seems like a likely match for this Katherine

                    Katherine Hungersdraffer
                    https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui...=successSource
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ozgirl View Post
                      There is this death for a Catherine Uren in New Jersey in 1903, which fits in with the time scale, but I can't find out anything more about her


                      https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...NDAwMjQ2NjguMA..
                      I like it. NJ has held its records tight to its chest. FS Wiki refers to the state's websites for vital records. This is what I'm coming up with to order/buy a record
                      https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_A...tal/index.aspx

                      The image on ancestry indicates that the cert number is 22137
                      Last edited by PhotoFamily; 20-12-21, 18:52.
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                      • #12
                        It's possible that she had an obit in The Eagle. If someone does a look up, it would be useful to look for a 1903 obit as well.
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                        • #13
                          Thank you PhotoFamily, Darkseretz, and ozgirl for doing a search for my missing Katie, Kitty, Catherine Uren. I am going to send off for the certificate for the 1903 death, and see if it is my missing Katie. I found her father's death, but she is not noted as one of his children. How sad.

                          Apparently William W Uren used to go to Florida in the summer months when he got older. He had a boat and would take passengers out for the day. So I am not sure if he was a captain, or just a nickname.

                          I have decided that after Christmas I will splurge on a short sub for newspapers.com. Then start saving for another splurge to get his daughter's Harriett's birth and death certificate (1897 -1900).

                          Oh, to win the lottery!

                          Thank you all again,

                          bcbrit
                          George, Uren, Toy - Cornwall. Barrows, Blair, Bowyer, Freeth, Green, Manie - London

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                          • #14
                            Just a follow up here on the missing wives of William Walter Uren.

                            I am sending a death record search request for Catherine Uren, died 1903, New Jersey, death certificate 22137, to the New Jersey State Archives via post. This is because the death is after the cutoff date of 1900.

                            I have also sent away for the deaths of his two children, and a possible wife #1 to New York Municipal Archives via an online request form. I should be getting the deaths certificates within 8 - 12 weeks.

                            I haven't found birth certificates for the children who died, so I am hoping that their births dates will be on their certificates.

                            Just about to start searching newspapers.com for a more thorough search for the missing wives.

                            Will let you know what happens when the certs get here.

                            Thank you for your help,

                            bcbrit


                            George, Uren, Toy - Cornwall. Barrows, Blair, Bowyer, Freeth, Green, Manie - London

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