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Done a little more digging - Johan Fredrik was born in Zevenaar ca 1807, parents Johan Abraham Jacobs and Johanna Louisa Breitenbach. He died on 20 Feb 1863. Info found on daughters marriage records here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...741&cc=1949343 pages 226-236, info for Frederik on page 236.
Friederika (also Frederika) according to the registration pages on openarchives was born in Xanten in Prussia on 16 Jan 1816. After Fredriks death she moved to Rotterdam to live with her children, and subsequently to 's Gravenhage. (after 1877). Haven't tracked her further yet.
Also noted that the year of birth for Johannes Henricus matches with his age in the 1911.Linda
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Here's a possible baptism for the father, found here: https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronnen/personen :
Doop: Johann Friedrich Jakobs, 22-12-1806
Volgnummer op pagina: 7
Kernplaats: Zevenaar
Dopeling: Johann Friedrich Jakobs
Moeder: Joh. Louisa Breitenbach
Getuigen e.a.: nn Schoenau
Vader: Johann Abraham Jakobs
Kerkelijke gemeente: Zevenaar
Kerkelijke gezindte: Nederduits Gereformeerd en Burgerlijke gemeente
Toegangsnummer: 0176
Inventarisnummer: 1844.3
Pagina: 41
The mother's surname sounds German, and the spelling of Friedrich and Johann also seem German.
The religion is given as 'Nederduits Gereformeerd' which means 'Low German Reformed'
I've found a few siblings for Johann Friedrich on the same site, but won't have time to go through them until tomorrow.Sarah
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Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
That’s the way I was thinking too. According to two other trees on ancestry for Johanna Louisa Jacobs, a sister of Johannes, she has been listed in one as born 1842 in Zevenaar (public tree) and the other in Rotterdam! (private tree) She is the only child listed to the same parents as the Johannes in post #15. There are husband details for her though. That one’s also worth a message.Carolyn
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Looks like the sister stayed in Netherlands, so he likely came on his own as an adult. Should he have arranged for naturalisation? or was there some parts British owned at the time? GL posted it was near German border, so possibly not British part. My history of that area is non existent. Only recently have I been looking as there was something else I was interested in.Last edited by cbcarolyn; 09-11-21, 12:44.Carolyn
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Friedrika died in Rotterdam on 19 Feb 1895. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
Her mother is named as Gertrud Meussen - no father mentioned.
The image is here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...298&cc=1576401Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
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There were 10 children (and one stillborn baby) born to Frederik and Frederika in Zevenaar between 1838 and 1859. 2 died young (Eduard b 1848 and Karel b 1850)
https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronne...113&miview=tblLinda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
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Here is the Estate Inventory of Johan Fridrich Jacobs who died 20 February 1863 in Zevenaar, which mentions Hendrik Jacobs as well as Johan Fredericus Jacobs whose occupation looks like 'slagter' which means 'slager' = butcher, in Dordrecht. Dordrecht is about 25 km southeast of Rotterdam.
https://www.geldersarchief.nl/compon...miview=viewer2
Edit to add: Johan Fredericus Jacobs also appears in the tree in my next post below.Sarah
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I found a tree for Johan Friedrich Jacobs with lots more details of children, siblings and parents: https://gw.geneanet.org/mariojvissch...drich&n=jacobs
According to this tree, most of the Jacobs children stayed in the Netherlands, in Zevenaar, Rotterdam, Dordrecht and The Hague ('s-Gravenhage), but there was another brother, Otto Lodewijk Jacobs, who also moved to England and married in Liverpool in 1882.Sarah
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Cloggie That geneanet tree looks very interesting and full for the members of the family who stayed in The Netherlands but it seems that the tree owner hasn’t a clue about Johannes’ life in England nor that of his younger brother although there is an emigration date for him and a wife’s name.
Maybe he is on the 1871 census somewhere just badly mistranscribed?
I don’t have FMP now. Might be worth looking at their transcripts. It wouldn’t be the first time somebody has been found in one version and not the other
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GallowayLass clicking through the tree on Geneanet, there were some details in German, so I suspect the tree owner may be German or Dutch and not have info about or access to UK genealogy sites. That might explain why they have no further details of Johannes Hendrikus.
I did have a look on FMP this afternoon at any Johannes/Johan/John Jacobs (or similar) names in London, but didn't find anything.
I haven't been able to find Otto anywhere in England either, but hopefully they'll turn up somewhere.
Edit: I found Otto's marriage reference, with Lodewijk mistranscribed as Lodewigk:First name(s) Otto Lodewigk Country England Last name Jacobs Volume 8B Marriage quarter 3 Volume as transcribed 8B Marriage year 1886 Page number 354 Registration month - Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 MarriageFinder™ Otto Lodewigk Jacobs married one of these people
Emma ReiteCategory Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District Liverpool Sarah
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I looked for them too, on FMP and ancestry, would Otto be changed into another name?Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postif he was a publican have you searched the newspapers, did he own the pub? Not sure that it would give you anymore insight to his birth. I have a publican and seem to find quite a few articles about him.
Also did he have a will, as he had children, would assume there would be no mention of other family members, my publican left an allowance to spinster sister.
What was the name of the pub?
Its his birth and life in Rotterdam I really need to know about, as none of his English records (even the one in the the newspaper when his son tried to kill him. Yep, some juicy stories in his lifetime!) give any clue about his previous life before he emigrated over here.
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Originally posted by ozgirl View PostHi Sandra, I also have Dutch ancestors and have spent many hours on the Dutch archives. The Rotterdam records are mostly found on their own website: https://stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/zo...tdek/stamboom/
I have had a look through them and unfortunately can find no Johannes Hendricus (all variations) born on 14 Aug 1837. There was one that looked good, who was born 14/8/1836, but I could trace him through to his death in 1884. (I was ignoring surnames). On the Archieven site, I again searched for a Johannes Hendricus, father Frederick, found one born 13/8/1837, surname Mackaaij, but again he died young.
I will have another go tomorrow and see if a nights sleep helps the old grey matter!
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI used to work with a guy from Netherlands and he pronounced the J of Jacob as a Y, didn't see anything obvious, but wondered if this might turn up some more English records, just a thought.
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Originally posted by GallowayLass View PostWas Johannes a witness at the 1869 wedding of William Searles who was later to be his brother in law?
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Here's Otto in the Rotterdam Population Register in 1875: https://stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/zo...263&miview=ldt
It shows that he lived in Amsterdam before moving to Rotterdam (see image).
Also listed at the same address are (among others):
Frederika Wilhelmina Meussen
Elisabeth Jacobs
Frederika Wilhelmina Jacobs
Maria Johanna Paulina Jacobs
Searching further for Otto on the Rotterdam Archives site, I've found him in 1887 with his wife Emma Reitz, showing their previous address as Liverpool: https://stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/ap...miview=viewer2
Otto's occupation I think says vleeschouwer, which means butcher.
Sarah
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthis him in 1911:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=4391868
says he is married and formerly a cabinet maker, wife Emma with him. I think I have the right ones, he remarried?
It's a Dutch Almshouse in Charlton - he has put a pob but can't make sense of it Jevendae?
I assume that this is the place he died
That is my g-granddad Johannes and his 2nd wife Emma (nee Chamberlain, formally Pike) I have photo's of Emma's daughter Minnie (Dad used to call her Aunt Min)
It looks like the name of a town or maybe village?
At least now it gives me something to work on. Thanks again. No idea why it didn't come up in any of my searches over the years?
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Originally posted by GallowayLass View PostFound on ancestry.
Gelderland Province, Netherlands, Civil Registration, 1811-1950
Johannes Henricus Jakobs Male 14 aug 1840 Zevenaar, Gelderland, Netherlands 17 aug 1840 Johan Fridrich Jakobs Friederika Wilhelmina Meussen 80 211792
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Originally posted by Sandra View Post
Wow!! Thank you so much. I have been looking for them for years!!
That is my g-granddad Johannes and his 2nd wife Emma (nee Chamberlain, formally Pike) I have photo's of Emma's daughter Minnie (Dad used to call her Aunt Min)
It looks like the name of a town or maybe village?
At least now it gives me something to work on. Thanks again. No idea why it didn't come up in any of my searches over the years?Sarah
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