Ethel Pearce - 1891/1901 census

[tessie31082]

Good Morning,

I'm having trouble finding this lady before her marriage to Joseph Downe in 1914.

The marriage has her father as William Pearce.

I think I have found them on FMP but I'm still not getting options for credits/micropayments so I can't see the record and I'm not sure if I'm finding a different family on Ancestry - this is what I have found so far!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
(I was looking at this info back in 2011 when I first started playing with family history and added altenative info, now I'm not sure it's the correct family!).

There is also this baptism (if the correct family) but can't work out what thw 1st name should be (Ethel as the 2nd name, however my Ethel uses this as 1st name so thinking it's not either the right person or family?)
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=7814

Can anyone find an alternative family I've not seen?

Thanks

Tessie

[Katarzyna]

1939 Register
Ethel M Downe
DOB 17 Nov 1890
living Haslemere U.D., Surrey
has son b 10 Sep 1917

DOWNE, CLIFFORD mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 207

Marriage has father as carpenter.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...3?pId=27039259

William Pearse Head Married Male 26 1865 Carpenter Exeter, Devon, England --- Possible?
Elizabeth Pearse Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Bradninch, Devon, England
Ethel Pearse Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Heavitree, Devon, England

[cbcarolyn]

the Croydon baptism is Evelyn Ethel.

Devon is looking more likely

BUT there is a baptism in 1889 Ethel Emily Elizabeth b 13th May baptism June 7th father William James & Elizabeth occ carpenter. living in Oakfield street parish Heavitree

record on FMP

birth matches to MMN Hussey parish St Thomas spelling Pearse

[tessie31082]

the Croydon baptism is Evelyn Ethel.

Devon is looking more likely

BUT there is a baptism in 1889 Ethel Emily Elizabeth b 13th May baptism June 7th father William James & Elizabeth occ carpenter. living in Oakfield street parish Heavitree

record on FMP

birth matches to MMN Hussey parish St Thomas spelling Pearse

Hmm, thanks Carolyn - Ethel's middle name is May/Mary so don't think the 1889 baptism is her!
I wonder she would of moved from Devon to end up marrying in Surrey - work I suppose!
I'll keep looking!!

Thanks Katarzyna and Carolyn

[cbcarolyn]

so the 1939 entry is def her, and you have correct marriage details, are they the ones Kat has posted?

if you put all the details on here will have a search around. free FMP runs out 18 Nov....I may take out a sub am undecided.

[tessie31082]

so the 1939 entry is def her, and you have correct marriage details, are they the ones Kat has posted?

if you put all the details on here will have a search around. free FMP runs out 18 Nov....I may take out a sub am undecided.

Yes those are correct!

[keldon]

I think the Devon family is wrong.
This is their Ethel's birth.
PEARSE, ETHEL EMILY ELIZABETH mmn HUSSEY
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in SAINT THOMAS Volume 05B Page 59

This is the family in 1901. Ethel is missing.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=11809715
The other Children all have mmn Hussey

GRO Deaths
PEARSE, ETHEL EMILY ELIZABETH 3
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 281

[tessie31082]

I think the Devon family is wrong.
This is their Ethel's birth.
PEARSE, ETHEL EMILY ELIZABETH mmn HUSSEY
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in SAINT THOMAS Volume 05B Page 59

This is the family in 1901. Ethel is missing.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=11809715
The other Children all have mmn Hussey

GRO Deaths
PEARSE, ETHEL EMILY ELIZABETH 3
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 281

Thanks Keldon!

[Katarzyna]

Another possibility:

If Ethel M Pearce's DOB is 17 Nov 1890 then it is possible that she wasn't registered until 1st qtr 1891.

PEARCE, ETHEL MAY mmn CORNWALL
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in MIDHURST Volume 02B Page 403

Midhurst is in West Sussex.

Marriages Sep 1882 FREEBMD
Cornwall Eliza Thamar Midhurst 2b 645
PEARCE William Midhurst 2b 645
Sturt Frederick Ernest Midhurst 2b 645
Terry Ellen Jane Midhurst 2b 645

1891 census
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...d=282186499921
Household Members Age Relationship
William Pearll 35 Head
Eliza Pearll 28 Wife
William L Pearll 8 Son
Alice D Pearll 5 Daughter
Edith M Pearll 3 Daughter
Ethel M Pearll 4/12 Daughter

Edit:

1901 census Ethel Pierce
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=6658573

[Katarzyna]

Name: William Pearce
Gender: Male
Death Date: abt 1895
Burial Date: 2 Dec 1895
Burial Place: Farnhurst, Sussex, England
FHL Film Number: 2147045
Reference ID: item 4 p 46

[tessie31082]

Another possibility:

If Ethel M Pearce's DOB is 17 Nov 1890 then it is possible that she wasn't registered until 1st qtr 1891.

PEARCE, ETHEL MAY mmn CORNWALL
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in MIDHURST Volume 02B Page 403

Midhurst is in West Sussex.

Marriages Sep 1882 FREEBMD
Cornwall Eliza Thamar Midhurst 2b 645
PEARCE William Midhurst 2b 645
Sturt Frederick Ernest Midhurst 2b 645
Terry Ellen Jane Midhurst 2b 645

1891 census
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...d=282186499921
Household Members Age Relationship
William Pearll 35 Head
Eliza Pearll 28 Wife
William L Pearll 8 Son
Alice D Pearll 5 Daughter
Edith M Pearll 3 Daughter
Ethel M Pearll 4/12 Daughter

Edit:

1901 census Ethel Pierce
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=6658573

Thanks Kat, however, Ethel's marriage in 1914 doesn't say her Father's deceased so not sure this is them either - good point about 1st Q of 1891 for birth reg though! Will look for all Ethel Pearce / Pierce / Pearse for last Q 1890 and 1stQ 1891.


EDIT - this birth is the only one that shows middle name May (same as marriage cert)! However, still the thing about Father not being 'deceased' on marriage cert?

Thanks

[cbcarolyn]

Thanks Kat, however, Ethel's marriage in 1914 doesn't say her Father's deceased so not sure this is them either - good point about 1st Q of 1891 for birth reg though! Will look for all Ethel Pearce / Pierce / Pearse for last Q 1890 and 1stQ 1891.


EDIT - this birth is the only one that shows middle name May (same as marriage cert)! However, still the thing about Father not being 'deceased' on marriage cert?

Thanks

do you have his occupation?

[tessie31082]

do you have his occupation?

On the marriage cert. it says carpenter!

[Katarzyna]

What was your father's occupation - could have been the question she was asked possibly rather than whether he was alive or not. Also she was only 4/5 when the father died - would she have known his occupation? - which was a carter on 1991 census.

[Katarzyna]

Who were the witnesses at the marriage, Tessie?

[tessie31082]

What was your father's occupation - could have been the question she was asked possibly rather than whether he was alive or not. Also she was only 4/5 when the father died - would she have known his occupation? - which was a carter on 1991 census.

Good point!

Witnesses on the marriage cert. are Alfred West and Robert Palmer

Tessie

[cbcarolyn]

What was your father's occupation - could have been the question she was asked possibly rather than whether he was alive or not. Also she was only 4/5 when the father died - would she have known his occupation? - which was a carter on 1991 census.

I wonder if carter was what enumerator heard car'ter - in broad country accent? not sure he would have had one.

what is address on the MC will check out papers

[tessie31082]

I wonder if carter was what enumerator heard car'ter - in broad country accent? not sure he would have had one.

what is address on the MC will check out papers

I always forget about witnesses on the marriage cert and addresses!

Unfortunately the only address written on this marriage cert is Haselmere!!!!

Tessie

[annette.humphreys]

I agree with the last suggestion, that Ethel May Pearce is the one registered Mar.1891 Midhurst, Sussex. 1891 census shows her as 4 months old (census was 5/4/1891 with would fit with mid. Nov.1890 birth).

She was actually born in Fernhurst, Sussex and in 1911 is in Midhurst, Sussex, a servant, and christian name mistranscribed as Ethal on Ancestry.

Doesn't seem to have been baptised so only way to confirm is to get copy of her birth certificate.

Annette

[cbcarolyn]

Good Morning,

I'm having trouble finding this lady before her marriage to Joseph Downe in 1914.

The marriage has her father as William Pearce.

I think I have found them on FMP but I'm still not getting options for credits/micropayments so I can't see the record and I'm not sure if I'm finding a different family on Ancestry - this is what I have found so far!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
(I was looking at this info back in 2011 when I first started playing with family history and added altenative info, now I'm not sure it's the correct family!).

There is also this baptism (if the correct family) but can't work out what thw 1st name should be (Ethel as the 2nd name, however my Ethel uses this as 1st name so thinking it's not either the right person or family?)
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...;rhSource=7814

Can anyone find an alternative family I've not seen?

Thanks

Tessie

just to confirm your earlier suggestion doesn't seem correct back mother Laura Neighbour, and the Ethel is registered Evelyn Ethel, so don't think these are your people.

Fernhurst is part of Haselmere and not far from Midhurst.

...realised I had not posted this last night!