After a lot of Googling I think the place is Cwmsyfiog, in New Tredegar which lines up with Charles place of birth on the census and like you say Vera, same place on 1871 census. I think it's the right birth cert at least!
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Oh good news Nora.
Still left with John and Mary. Have whittled down some but only possibilities as difficult to get even an inkling with so many Same names.
There is one which has John b 1842 with widowed m Ann plus sibs. Father Thomas plus marriage for Ann and Thomas Davies.Will post with links tomorrow.
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Going up a generation in the hope of getting closer to John and Mary and their marriage
Looking at John Davies b 1841/42 Gelligaer only. Have whittled him down to 3 families
There is a John D with parents William and Ann and John D with parents Enoch and Sarah. The parents can be seen in 1861 but John D not with them although there is a 22 year old John D boarding in Gelligaer.
This one has John D with mother Ann in 1851 and 61.
1851 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
noted an Elizabeth born pre 1841 and think this may be her with parents Ann and Thomas
1841 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
Ann and children together in Gelligaer in 1861 with the loss of baby Rees but additional Lewis b 1844.
1861 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
A Lewis Davies can be seen with Grandparents Lewis and Carherine George in 1851
1851 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
There is a marriage for an Ann George in 1837
Ancestry.co.uk - Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Not finding any marriage for John Davies to Mary Rees. The marriage cert of John D to Mary Powell ? 1877 would confirm/eliminate Thomas.
Not getting my bearings on this one at all with the mass of same names. May be looking at the children of John and Mary (1st wife) would be the way forward although your Charles is not revealing anything at the moment.
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostGoing up a generation in the hope of getting closer to John and Mary and their marriage
Looking at John Davies b 1841/42 Gelligaer only. Have whittled him down to 3 families
There is a John D with parents William and Ann and John D with parents Enoch and Sarah. The parents can be seen in 1861 but John D not with them although there is a 22 year old John D boarding in Gelligaer.
This one has John D with mother Ann in 1851 and 61.
1851 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
noted an Elizabeth born pre 1841 and think this may be her with parents Ann and Thomas
1841 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
Ann and children together in Gelligaer in 1861 with the loss of baby Rees but additional Lewis b 1844.
1861 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
A Lewis Davies can be seen with Grandparents Lewis and Carherine George in 1851
1851 Wales Census - Ancestry.co.uk
There is a marriage for an Ann George in 1837
Ancestry.co.uk - Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Not finding any marriage for John Davies to Mary Rees. The marriage cert of John D to Mary Powell ? 1877 would confirm/eliminate Thomas.
Not getting my bearings on this one at all with the mass of same names. May be looking at the children of John and Mary (1st wife) would be the way forward although your Charles is not revealing anything at the moment.
Vera
I've tried looking at John and 1st wifes children but not getting anywhere. Charles is the only one I'm sure of. There's lots of hints for a few of the children but I'm not sure because a lot of copy and pasting of trees has happened.
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Not seen an enoch anywhere, would this mean he could be dismissed? quite a good unique nameLast edited by cbcarolyn; 25-09-21, 22:54.Carolyn
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I've found this for John and possible parents:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=14137285
Can't find them later though. Found a marriage for Ann and Morgan with Ann being Ann Evans:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
But can't seem to find any births for any of the children with MMN as Evans. Not sure what any of it means though!
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I feel like I'm taking up all the space here trying to work all this out! I think I've found Johns son, David Davies but it holds no clues to John other than his name on the wedding cert. Think this is his marriage: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
Place and job are the same for John as on Charles's wedding cert. Think I can track David through 1891, 1901 and 1911 and he lives in the area I know and where Charles's son lived. Not fully sure but like 80% sure!
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I started looking at children. Not got far with Thomas. Thought David's son had emigrated but that was a different David m to Mary Jones. That looks a better David given the area of m and closeness to your Charles'. You can only go with the possibilities. Referring to GRO for mm n not greatly helpful.
80% a good start for WaIes I think.
I even googled how to research Welsh families. I will need to read the article again. Started about how good it was that so many records were now available online.
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
I even googled how to research Welsh families. I will need to read the article again. Started about how good it was that so many records were now available online.
Vera
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postdid it give you anything useful? I did look in the welsh newspapers a while back maybe a search with some of the addresses might bring up something
Not read it fully. Looking in the newspapers had forgotten about that. Good way of proving names with addresses/occupations.
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I am wondering if they maybe in Welsh, as there seems to be Welsh speakers in the family. Names so common hard to find anything that seems to be them.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI am wondering if they maybe in Welsh, as there seems to be Welsh speakers in the family. Names so common hard to find anything that seems to be them.
The problem is there just too many with the same name and other than the Rhymney or Tredegar locations. I don't for sure where they came from so nothing can be narrowed down. it's hurting my head looking at so many records and getting no where haha.
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Just need to keep chipping away. Unfortunately if only possibilities certs would need to be purchased to hopefully get some clues. Normaly clues would come from parish records available. Two possibilities for the children so far
Death of Charles Davies b 1865 buried 27 Aug 1932 12 Thomas St, Rhymney
However Charles lived many years in Hill Street Bedwellty
Death of John Rees Davies b 1874 d 1896 Bedwelty.
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostJust need to keep chipping away. Unfortunately if only possibilities certs would need to be purchased to hopefully get some clues. Normaly clues would come from parish records available. Two possibilities for the children so far
Death of Charles Davies b 1865 buried 27 Aug 1932 12 Thomas St, Rhymney
However Charles lived many years in Hill Street Bedwellty
Death of John Rees Davies b 1874 d 1896 Bedwelty.
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I have lost the thread where you are at, so many names the same. Can you do a quick summary?Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI have lost the thread where you are at, so many names the same. Can you do a quick summary?
Still unsure who John Davies's parents are or who Mary 1st wife's parents are. Can't seem to find a marriage record for them. I'm probably gonna buy Johns marriage record to 2nd wife Mary Powell and see who is father is to help confirm or rule out some people, maybe.
I hope this is what you meant, if not I'm sorry lol, I tried but it's a mess!
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Originally posted by Nora View Post
There is a Hill Street in Rhymney which is where I've always assumed he lived. Thomas Street doesn't come up with anything on google but there is a Thomas Fields not far from Hill Street. I'll search the bygone/past and present groups for Rhymney on Facebook and see what I can find about Hill and Thomas Street.
The Charles Davies 1932 death is on GRO registered Bedwelllty
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Originally posted by Nora View Post
I'll try but I might also get confused! The Charles and John Rees Davies that Vera mentioned are John Davies and Mary (the 1st wife with likely maiden name Rees) children. Charles lived in 3 Hill Street, Rhymney according to 1901 and 1911. Charles is the only child of John that I'm confident on. The rest are just a minefield. Too many possibilities and same names.
Still unsure who John Davies's parents are or who Mary 1st wife's parents are. Can't seem to find a marriage record for them. I'm probably gonna buy Johns marriage record to 2nd wife Mary Powell and see who is father is to help confirm or rule out some people, maybe.
I hope this is what you meant, if not I'm sorry lol, I tried but it's a mess!
I have noted down the addresses and see if there is anything in the papers, not unique names not making papers searching easy either. Will have a wander around later, and see if I can get a better idea exactly where.
I have
1871
can't read hamlet on this one at the moment
1881
21 George street, Merthy Tydfil - again can't decipher hamlet
1891
haven't found
1901
3 Hill Street, Tredegar Coal Hewer
1911
same place
3 Hill street, Tredegar (St George parish)
Coal Haulier, pob New Tredegar
and for John Davies I have
1891
Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil POB Gelligaer
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
I wasn't sure what was being ruled in or being ruled out as not been keeping up with posts. the welsh newspapers don't go beyond 1919, was hoping that maybe Charles death maybe in the.
I have noted down the addresses and see if there is anything in the papers, not unique names not making papers searching easy either. Will have a wander around later, and see if I can get a better idea exactly where.
I have
1871
can't read hamlet on this one at the moment
1881
21 George street, Merthy Tydfil - again can't decipher hamlet
1891
haven't found
1901
3 Hill Street, Tredegar Coal Hewer
1911
same place
3 Hill street, Tredegar (St George parish)
Coal Haulier, pob New Tredegar
and for John Davies I have
1891
Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil POB Gelligaer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelligaer
I found this for 1891 for Charles and am leaning towards it being him because he gives pob as New Tredegar like on other census's:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...13&usePUB=true
The 1891 for John Davies is also believed to be correct.
I know Dowlais well, I live there haha. I don't know Gelligaer very well though.
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