Help finding Charles Davies

[vera2013]

Now having a look at John Davies b Gelligaer. Surprise, surprise there is more than one.

Gelligaer is about 30 miles from Llangynwyd.

Just noticed, when wandering off, that Mary Davies previously Powell is recorded in the 1871 as born Methvey, Carmarthenshire. So could be mother of Mgt Telfer in the ?1911 That Elaine/Carolyn found.

The 1881 was a bit.of a challenge. It records Mary Davies previously Powell as b Dowlais as well as her children. Margaret Powells dob was incorrect also should have been. 1868.

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[Nora]

there is this marriage of a Margaret Rees, father rees rees and it is in John Davies pob, might be a connection

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=1072440

I think I traced them up to 1881 and they have a Jennet Jones aged 70 living with listed as mother in law. Could still be a link but I haven't worked it out yet, it was only a quick search lol

[Nora]

Some links

Ancestry.co.uk - 1841 Wales Census

Ancestry.co.uk - 1841 Wales Census

Ancestry.co.uk - 1851 Wales Census



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Searching GRO for Mary and Margaret with Bridgend as the district because Llangynwyd is within there according to google and Llangynwyd is the closest I can work out from those census's! I found Morgan to be the common name for both if it's correct and then found this marriage, I think it's Rees and Elizabeth:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
Still no idea if these are Marys parents though!

[cbcarolyn]

there is this marriage of a Margaret Rees, father rees rees and it is in John Davies pob, might be a connection

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62105/images/004376918_00134?treeid=171416310&personid=162317919643&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi47035&_phstart=successSource&pId=1072440

[vera2013]

Some links

Ancestry.co.uk - 1841 Wales Census

Ancestry.co.uk - 1841 Wales Census

Ancestry.co.uk - 1851 Wales Census

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

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[vera2013]

I have noticed that you could mine for iron or coal, and all in same areas. almost if a miner could be interchangeable. But I think a Puddler was a more skilled job, after a google around. Not sure what everyone else thinks.

Cant back it up but I seem to remember Puddler being a skilled job, possibly highly but not attached to mining for iron

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[Nora]

I have noticed that you could mine for iron or coal, and all in same areas. almost if a miner could be interchangeable. But I think a Puddler was a more skilled job, after a google around. Not sure what everyone else thinks.

I've tried googling the differences before and I'm still none the wiser! I think you're right though, otherwise they'd have all just said miner on census's etc. I really should know about it though given nearly everyone in my tree was miner of some sort!

[cbcarolyn]

I have noticed that you could mine for iron or coal, and all in same areas. almost if a miner could be interchangeable. But I think a Puddler was a more skilled job, after a google around. Not sure what everyone else thinks.

[cbcarolyn]

it seems to be an area here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llwydcoed

[Nora]

I think it's Tregibbon

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I'm so annoyed that google didn't realise that's what I meant haha. I tried so many different combinations! I think you're right but I'm not sure if it's even them. Or why they'd have gotten married there. Feels like I'm just going around in circles! Even found a marriage for a John Davies to a Mary Griffiths whose father was a Davies, not them though because the jobs don't add up. I hate welsh names! :(

[vera2013]

Will put up some Links

think it's Tregibbon. Can see also Tre-Gibbon

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[Nora]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

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I spent a long time yesterday googling the town Mary was supposedly born in according to the 1871 census because I was confused why it says Brecknock when the only Llangynyd I could find was in Glam. So that's another mystery. I found this marriage for John and Mary:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
but couldn't make out where John was from, the word makes no sense to me. I don't know though. I'll look in to the Mary you've found and see where it leads, thank you!

[cbcarolyn]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

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Not got any thoughts on it yet, will maybe look at map...

1851 findmypast has attempted at Llandilo for Rees birth town
and living at Llest Nanty Raval, Langonoyd Higher, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

Birth towns it has:
Elizabeth Llanrithan
Thomas Llangyfelach
the other 2 children birth town is where they are living

[vera2013]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

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[Nora]

did he have any certs? I am sure someone has got Rachels, but not put them or the tree up, and then everyone else has taken their word for it. Mary griffiths husband was a puddler, which is in the iron industry I think. and Griffiths not matching with MMN either. Good that they replied quickly. There are a few with similar tree.

No one has mentioned the certs yet. Still waiting for replies though. I hate it when people don't put a source for the information :(

[Nora]

Edwin J Davies is mentioned in some of the trees as a child of Rachel Davies and they have his birth cert. No father is named. He is the great grandfather of the man who has Mary griffiths in his tree.
I've came across the 1901 census but haven't tried piecing it all together yet. Everyone that has John Davies marrying a Mary and then Mary Powell, I'm linked to them all through DNA. I've sent many messages asking for how they came to their conclusions etc and only 1 reply so far so still a lot to do!

[Elaine]

I know! Would be different and be Carmarthen just to confuse it all.

[cbcarolyn]

I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62105/images/004378150_00033?usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD37930&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1333036

It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.

I see that there is also Mary Davies with them, and she only speaks welsh

[Elaine]

I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62105/images/004378150_00033?usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD37930&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1333036

It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.

[vera2013]

Looking brief!y at John b 1841 +/- last night. There is one with mother Ann who changes occupations between Puddler, Iron Miner and Collier. However, there is more than one John Davies b in Gelligaer at the same time.

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