Help finding Charles Davies

[Nora]

Lots of possibilities Nora. Still not seeing Ann and Charles from the 1891 in other Census.

Had hoped to find more military records. Unfortunately the last page of the record is faded.

Would cost a fortune to purchase all the bc's and then maybe not able to confirm
EDIT You could purchase just Charles for now.

1868 Jun Q Bedwelty mm n Rees

I will look around for any c!ues. I am trying to find out who the Powell witnesses were at William's wedding. That's the 1920 wedding of Charles and Elizabeth Ann's son. Is that the correct wedding? Thought they may have been related to David Powell from the 1881.

Vera

Will definitely buy the Charles Davies cert. I couldn't find Ann and Charles from 1891 on other census's either so wont rule it out just yet.

Yes the wedding of William is correct. There's also a lot of other children for Charles and Elizabeth Ann but they died young or as babies. The names of them are the same as possible siblings for Charles. Eg there's a John Rees, Thomas, David. Might mean nothing because the names are common but then again they did like to use family names in them days so who knows!

[cbcarolyn]

there is this tree on Ancestry, not really seeing how they have come up with griffiths, but interesting to see they have an exact dob and death, wonder if they have the certs

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/154506340/person/142057541866/facts

[cbcarolyn]

...who is William? I have got lost!

[cbcarolyn]

have you seen this certs

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/62293790/person/30138599415/media/55b6a621-876e-40b2-98b7-3d3a64dd6fc6?_phsrc=fVi46970&usePUBJs=true

bit further down the line with child of Thomas

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/114477663/person/130249677427/gallery

[vera2013]

...who is William? I have got lost!

Hello Carolyn. William is the son of Charles Davies b 1868 Bedwellty. Charles Davies married Elizabeth Ann West in 1895.

William Davies b 1897 married Annie James in 1920 at Bedwellty. Witnesses M Powell and ? Powell

Vera

[Nora]

...who is William? I have got lost!

Vera beat me to it and explained!

[Nora]

have you seen this certs

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/62293790/person/30138599415/media/55b6a621-876e-40b2-98b7-3d3a64dd6fc6?_phsrc=fVi46970&usePUBJs=true

bit further down the line with child of Thomas
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...677427/gallery

I've sent the owner of this tree asking how he knows Mary Griffiths is the mother of Charles Davies. I'm also linked to him through DNA so I'm guessing his tree is right in part, just need to see how he came to the conclusions he has!

[vera2013]

I've sent the owner of this tree asking how he knows Mary Griffiths is the mother of Charles Davies. I'm also linked to him through DNA so I'm guessing his tree is right in part, just need to see how he came to the conclusions he has!

The 1963 m of John Davies to Mary Griffiths in the tree gives John's occupation as Puddler.1861 has a John Davies b Gellygaer as an Iron Miner.

So Nora your theory and Carolyns is correct. John Davies m twice, first to a Mary ?? maiden name, the mother of Charles b 1868 and others. That Mary died ? around 1877. Then to another Mary nee Davies, the Widow of Rbt Powell who is with John Davies and her children with Rbt in the 1881 as well as Rachel Davies b 1878.

Vera

[Nora]

The 1963 m of John Davies to Mary Griffiths in the tree gives John's occupation as Puddler.1861 has a John Davies b Gellygaer as an Iron Miner.

So Nora your theory and Carolyns is correct. John Davies m twice, first to a Mary ?? maiden name, the mother of Charles b 1868 and others. That Mary died ? around 1877. Then to another Mary nee Davies, the Widow of Rbt Powell who is with John Davies and her children with Rbt in the 1881 as well as Rachel Davies b 1878.

Vera

Yep, think this is defo what happened. The owner of that tree confirmed he isn't convinced of the Mary Griffiths 1st wife either but I think the rest of it is probably correct. It's given me a lot to work with and I'm still pretty sure that Charles' mum was a Rees so just need to find the marriage and knowing more about John might narrow it down.

[cbcarolyn]

Yep, think this is defo what happened. The owner of that tree confirmed he isn't convinced of the Mary Griffiths 1st wife either but I think the rest of it is probably correct. It's given me a lot to work with and I'm still pretty sure that Charles' mum was a Rees so just need to find the marriage and knowing more about John might narrow it down.

did he have any certs? I am sure someone has got Rachels, but not put them or the tree up, and then everyone else has taken their word for it. Mary griffiths husband was a puddler, which is in the iron industry I think. and Griffiths not matching with MMN either. Good that they replied quickly. There are a few with similar tree.

[vera2013]

Looking brief!y at John b 1841 +/- last night. There is one with mother Ann who changes occupations between Puddler, Iron Miner and Collier. However, there is more than one John Davies b in Gelligaer at the same time.

Vera

[Elaine]

I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62105/images/004378150_00033?usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD37930&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1333036

It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.

[cbcarolyn]

I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62105/images/004378150_00033?usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD37930&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1333036

It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.

I see that there is also Mary Davies with them, and she only speaks welsh

[Elaine]

I know! Would be different and be Carmarthen just to confuse it all.

[Nora]

Edwin J Davies is mentioned in some of the trees as a child of Rachel Davies and they have his birth cert. No father is named. He is the great grandfather of the man who has Mary griffiths in his tree.
I've came across the 1901 census but haven't tried piecing it all together yet. Everyone that has John Davies marrying a Mary and then Mary Powell, I'm linked to them all through DNA. I've sent many messages asking for how they came to their conclusions etc and only 1 reply so far so still a lot to do!

[Nora]

did he have any certs? I am sure someone has got Rachels, but not put them or the tree up, and then everyone else has taken their word for it. Mary griffiths husband was a puddler, which is in the iron industry I think. and Griffiths not matching with MMN either. Good that they replied quickly. There are a few with similar tree.

No one has mentioned the certs yet. Still waiting for replies though. I hate it when people don't put a source for the information :(

[vera2013]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

Vera

[cbcarolyn]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

Vera

Not got any thoughts on it yet, will maybe look at map...

1851 findmypast has attempted at Llandilo for Rees birth town
and living at Llest Nanty Raval, Langonoyd Higher, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

Birth towns it has:
Elizabeth Llanrithan
Thomas Llangyfelach
the other 2 children birth town is where they are living

[Nora]

I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

Just parking this as a possible

1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

Living at haven't a clue

1841 Llangonyd
Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
Elizabeth 9. "
Rachel 7. "
Mary 4. "
Margaret 2. "

In the same area
Thomas 12 Fs. bic
Hugh 10. Fs. "

Vera

I spent a long time yesterday googling the town Mary was supposedly born in according to the 1871 census because I was confused why it says Brecknock when the only Llangynyd I could find was in Glam. So that's another mystery. I found this marriage for John and Mary:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
but couldn't make out where John was from, the word makes no sense to me. I don't know though. I'll look in to the Mary you've found and see where it leads, thank you!

[vera2013]

Will put up some Links

think it's Tregibbon. Can see also Tre-Gibbon

Vera