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    Change of Surname from Ford to Turner

    My great grandfather John FORD was born 9 May 1847 in Stratford, Essex, England. He could not be found in the 1851 census. In 1861 Census he is living with his parents John & Jane Ford in Bromley. In 1871 John TURNER a 23 year old boarder living in Teddington with an occupation as a plasterer and a birthplace of Stratford, Essex. On the 24 July 1872 John FORD marries Mary Selina Smith. His occupation on the marriage certificate was a plasterer. In the 1881 Census he is listed as John TURNER, aged 33, a plasterer born in Stratford. His children were all born with the surname FORD but are listed in 1881 as TURNERs.
    John FORD died in August 1881 died ; Occupation Plasterer. His wife Mary Selina and his children kept the surname TURNER. The family has always been mystified abut the name change. Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

    #2
    I have two families like this. I have never found any reason for it! It's not as though they abandon the original name altogether but just keep using both at various times. You never know how they will turn up on censuses and registrations.
    Anne

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      #3
      What is jane's maiden name? And are you sure you have the right parents? Father's name and occupation match the birth to marriage certs?

      i have a name change that was unknown to my branch, but family lore survived down another. The name was changed to a step father's to avoid detection of the mother, when my ancestor joined the army underage in the 1850's.

      i have another who dropped his surname once emmigrated and took his mother's name, also in the 1850's.

      i also have family lore of a bankruptcy in london, prompting the family to move to leeds, where indeed in 1901 they are recorded under a different unconnected surname, and the husband's first name is different too. By 1911 the old name is back.

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        #4
        Stratford is West Ham reg. dist. and there was only one match on GRO.
        FORD, JOHN HUDSON
        GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 12 Page 288

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          #5
          in modern times I have known people to have changed due to falling out with family, and names chosen maybe a bit random, one story was something like Woodman and he changed to Forrest. And interestingly they made it up and his father lived with him till his death.

          Have you searched the newspapers? doubt it will turn up much.
          Last edited by cbcarolyn; 30-06-21, 12:36.
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #6
            Was there an illegitimacy further back? My husband had 2 sets of ancestors who alternated between surnames due to a grandfather's illegitimacy. Another family I researched for someone changed their name as their father was hanged for murder.

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              #7
              have you traced both the parents? maybe fathers mother, that is where my interchangeable names came from.
              Carolyn
              Family Tree site

              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                #8
                Just parking this here. Name of TUNNER. I haven't had time to check it out as there are some obvious anomalies ie M0ther's name and a daughter, Margaret, I cannot find later on a census or a death but John, spouse and son John all born Stratford, Essex, England and living Bromley St Leonard on 1851 census. Probably a coincidence but worth looking at.

                HO107; Piece: 1555; Folio: 426; Page: 5; GSU roll: 174787
                Name: John Tunner
                Age: 3
                Born abt 1848
                Relation: Son
                Father's Name: John Tunner
                Mother's Name: Fanny Tunner
                Gender: Male
                Where born: Stratford, Essex, England
                Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
                County/Island: Middlesex
                Country: England

                Registration District: Poplar
                Sub-registration District: Bow

                Household Members:

                John Tunner 29 b Stratford, Ess
                Fanny Tunner 24 ditto
                John Tunner 3 ditto
                Margaret Tunner 5 Old Ford, Middlesex
                Maria Mead 19
                Kat

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                  #9
                  that looks interesting Kat, I have been wandering around trying to find the census,

                  I did a search on FMP to find more children with MMN Hudson in case there would be more in the 1851 census. Emma and Caroline both died before 1851, and Eliza was born after. Although Addresses on BC of Caroline and Eliza could pinpoint where they were.

                  Ford John 1847 West Ham, Essex, England
                  Ford Emma 1849 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Caroline 1850 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Eliza 1851 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Alice 1854 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Thomas Frederick 1854 Shoreditch, London, England - guessing this one is a big coincidence
                  Ford George Samuel 1856 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Emily 1861 Poplar, London, England
                  Ford Harry James 1867 Poplar, London, England

                  Carolyn
                  Family Tree site

                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                    #10
                    Looks like you are onto something Katarzyna

                    FORD, CAROLINE HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 02 Page 341
                    FORD, ELIZA HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 02 Page 362
                    FORD, EMMA HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 02 Page 350

                    FORD, MARGARET HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 91
                    FORD, ANN HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in ST. GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST. GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 75
                    FORD, ELIZABETH HUDSON
                    GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 81

                    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 30-06-21, 19:09.
                    Carolyn
                    Family Tree site

                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                      #11
                      Good find Kat. I think.I have the deaths of John and Jane Non Comm burials Victoria Park Cemetery Hackney

                      John Ford 4 Reeve St Poplar aged 43 buried 2 Jan 1869
                      Jane Ford Love Lane, Rotherhithe aged 39 buried 28 June 1870 not sure about Rotherhithe that's South London

                      Vera

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                        #12
                        there are a couple of trees on Ancestry that I have found - one with a lot of certs:
                        https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...54133968/facts

                        and also I think the OP
                        https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...24084797/facts

                        Carolyn
                        Family Tree site

                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                          #13
                          Possible link to Kat's 1851 address Bow Common

                          Daughter Caroline b 1850 d 1850

                          City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery register

                          Caroline Ford 1 Bow Common Lane buried 8th August 1850 aged 8 months from Bromley parish

                          Vera

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                            #14
                            Just for completeness more births, bit confused by the 1841, married was 1843, not sure if it is a red herring

                            ​​Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
                            FORD, FRANCES HUDSON
                            GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 76
                            FORD, ANNIE MARY HUDSON
                            GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in SAINT JAMES WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 318
                            FORD, JULIA JANE HUDSON
                            GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 579



                            Carolyn
                            Family Tree site

                            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                              #15
                              a burial for Frances in 1843 also, in St Giles
                              Carolyn
                              Family Tree site

                              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                Good find Kat. I think.I have the deaths of John and Jane Non Comm burials Victoria Park Cemetery Hackney

                                John Ford 4 Reeve St Poplar aged 43 buried 2 Jan 1869
                                Jane Ford Love Lane, Rotherhithe aged 39 buried 28 June 1870 not sure about Rotherhithe that's South London

                                Vera
                                did you see another Ford - James 2 lines below John in 1869 also in Love Lane, Rotherhithe age 15 months

                                https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...rce&pId=279252
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                  #17
                                  bit of a long shot, but there is a William ford b Stratford living with a John Ford widow

                                  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=4658486

                                  1851 census

                                  Sub district West Ham
                                  Enumeration district 1E
                                  Archive reference HO107
                                  Piece number 1768
                                  Folio 446
                                  Page 25
                                  Schedule 81
                                  Last edited by cbcarolyn; 30-06-21, 22:55.
                                  Carolyn
                                  Family Tree site

                                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                                    Just for completeness more births, bit confused by the 1841, married was 1843, not sure if it is a red herring

                                    ​​Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
                                    FORD, FRANCES HUDSON
                                    GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 76
                                    FORD, ANNIE MARY HUDSON
                                    GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in SAINT JAMES WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 318
                                    FORD, JULIA JANE HUDSON
                                    GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 579


                                    Kat's census is 1851. Family living in Bow Common. Caroline Ford's burial record 1850 is Bow Common Lane

                                    Can't download Julia Jane Ford's death to be able to decipher it easily. Tower Hamlets Cemetery 1860 Chrisp Street as in the 1861Census

                                    The other areas are West end

                                    Vera

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post

                                      did you see another Ford - James 2 lines below John in 1869 also in Love Lane, Rotherhithe age 15 months

                                      https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...rce&pId=279252
                                      Will check it out. Same address as that for Jane Ford's 1870 burial record.

                                      Vera

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                        Good find Kat. I think.I have the deaths of John and Jane Non Comm burials Victoria Park Cemetery Hackney

                                        John Ford 4 Reeve St Poplar aged 43 buried 2 Jan 1869
                                        Jane Ford Love Lane, Rotherhithe aged 39 buried 28 June 1870 not sure about Rotherhithe that's South London

                                        Vera
                                        The Jane Ford of Rotherhithe is married to Thomas Ford. James Ford B 1867 d 1869. Buried Tower Hamlets Cemetery. Same address Loves Lane.

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