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    Joe/Joseph Barron

    Hi guys,

    So second post of the day! I also feel like all my posts start with 'My grandfather had......'

    My Grandfather had an Uncle called Joe/Joseph Barron, I believe he was born in 1907 in London and died in 1979. His parents were Solomon and Jane Barron.

    I located a photo on Ancestry which is said to be of his wife and daughter, it says his wife was Maisie and daughter was Marian. I contacted the Ancestry member last year but never heard back. I have done some further digging myself and am now actually wondering if his wife was an Esther Rosenberg.

    How do I find out which is right? I am getting myself really confused.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Esther

    #2
    This is the only London based birth of a Joseph BARRON 1907 +/- 2 years. That gives you his mother’s ms which will help you get back another generation.
    BARRON, JOSEPH BRESCH
    GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in ST. GEORGE-IN-THE-EAST Volume 01C Page 297

    I can’t find a 1979 death of a Joe/Joseph BARRON in England & Wales. Did he die elsewhere in UK or abroad? Unless it’s this one registered as BARON with only 1 R?
    Joseph Baron
    72
    10 Apr 1907
    Apr 1979
    [May 1979]
    [Jun 1979]
    Apr-May-Jun
    Hackney
    Greater London
    12
    1308

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      #3
      Have found this marriage - Joseph’s surname keeps changing!
      Esther Rosenberg
      Jul 1929
      [Aug 1929]
      [Sep 1929]
      Jul-Aug-Sep
      Stepney
      London
      Joseph Barell Or Barren
      1c
      780

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        #4
        Esther, can you find him on 1939 register at all. If he is with Esther you might be able to trace him further or if totally wrong, dismiss it. Sorry but don't have and subs at the moment o help you.
        Lin

        Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

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          #5
          There appears to be 2 children from this marriage - both are deceased as I found them open on 1939 Register.

          BARREN, SHIRLEY BEATRICE ROSENBERG
          GRO Reference: 1931 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 178
          John B[ernard] Barren
          Jul 1935
          [Aug 1935]
          [Sep 1935]
          Jul-Aug-Sep
          Stepney
          London
          Rosenberg
          1c
          204
          Joseph’s dob is not as expected but the rest of the household fits. The address is not transcribed correctly on either ancestry or FMP. It appears to be 38 Llewellyn’s Est. (Estate?), Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales


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            #6
            This one is pure speculation on my part but going by the index entry that might be his death, this is from the probate register. There is no will, merely a Letter of Administration but it could be crucial if the name and address of the person to whom it was granted means something to you. n.b. there is an extra forename not seen before.

            B961ACED-9C7B-4557-A70C-424684E5DAB8.jpeg

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              #7
              Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
              This is the only London based birth of a Joseph BARRON 1907 +/- 2 years. That gives you his mother’s ms which will help you get back another generation.
              BARRON, JOSEPH BRESCH
              GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in ST. GEORGE-IN-THE-EAST Volume 01C Page 297

              I can’t find a 1979 death of a Joe/Joseph BARRON in England & Wales. Did he die elsewhere in UK or abroad? Unless it’s this one registered as BARON with only 1 R?
              Joseph Baron
              72
              10 Apr 1907
              Apr 1979
              [May 1979]
              [Jun 1979]
              Apr-May-Jun
              Hackney
              Greater London
              12
              1308
              I have his Mothers maiden name as Braz, Could Bresch possibly be a variation of this?

              I don't know if he moved abroad.

              Esther

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                #8
                Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
                Have found this marriage - Joseph’s surname keeps changing!
                Esther Rosenberg
                Jul 1929
                [Aug 1929]
                [Sep 1929]
                Jul-Aug-Sep
                Stepney
                London
                Joseph Barell Or Barren
                1c
                780
                This is the marriage that I found. I don't know how to confirm it though.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
                  This one is pure speculation on my part but going by the index entry that might be his death, this is from the probate register. There is no will, merely a Letter of Administration but it could be crucial if the name and address of the person to whom it was granted means something to you. n.b. there is an extra forename not seen before.

                  B961ACED-9C7B-4557-A70C-424684E5DAB8.jpeg
                  Thank you for this. If I use the probate service should that give me the option to buy the letter of administration?

                  Thank you so much for all your help

                  Esther

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by EstherLesley View Post

                    Thank you for this. If I use the probate service should that give me the option to buy the letter of administration?

                    Thank you so much for all your help

                    Esther
                    Yes. The cost should be £1.50 but it might take a while as they often have delays.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by EstherLesley View Post

                      This is the marriage that I found. I don't know how to confirm it though.
                      You’ll need to purchase the marriage certificate for this one. Use GRO service. Although marriages are not indexed on there at present, you can still order marriage certificates. All the info you need is in my post #3. It will ask for the quarter of the year. Jul-Sep is 3Q.

                      You can get Joseph’s death certificate from the same place while you are ordering the marriage. The certificates will cost £11 each.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by EstherLesley View Post

                        I have his Mothers maiden name as Braz, Could Bresch possibly be a variation of this?

                        I don't know if he moved abroad.

                        Esther
                        It appears from the 1911 census that Joseph’s parents were from Russia and of the Jewish faith. I think it’s quite possible that Bresch could be a mishearing of Braz.

                        Haven’t found the birth of the eldest child on the 1911 but the 2nd one has another variation of Braz

                        BARRON, DORA BRESS
                        GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 298

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                          #13
                          This is Joseph Barron in the 1911 census. Parents as you say appear to be Solomon and Jane.
                          https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWP9-T69

                          Also in the family is sister Fanny.

                          Now to the 1939 Register.
                          Ref: RG101/0064D/006/35 Letter Code: ADOF
                          5 Rutherford House, Bethnal Green, London


                          Jane Barron 07 May 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed
                          Joseph Barron 06 Mar 1907 Male Tailors Machiner Married
                          Gertrude Rappoport (Barron) 01 Jul 1911 Female Milliner Single
                          Fanny Barron 09 Jan 1904 Female Tailors Felling Hand Single

                          If this is him, then he seems to be living with his mother and sister Fanny. He is married but no sign of his wife. (still looking)
                          Phil
                          historyhouse.co.uk
                          Essex - family and local history.

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                            #14
                            Oh fiddlesticks!!! In looking at your first post of the day about Fanny BARRON, I came across her in the 1939 Register. The Joseph is presumably her brother, the subject of this thread. Perhaps he just happened to visiting his mother the day the enumerator arrived and his wife Esther also put him on at home in Denbigh as well? It does happen on censuses than people get listed twice. I have a couple of these in my own family. More mystery
                            Gertrude is not Joseph‘s wife though but a sister born too late for the 1911 census.

                            BARRON, GERTRUDE BRASS
                            GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in ST. GEORGE-IN-THE-EAST Volume 01C Page 552
                            Fanny Barron
                            Female
                            Single
                            9 Jan 1904
                            1939
                            5 Rutherford House
                            Bethnal Green, London, England
                            Tailors Felling Hand
                            37
                            55
                            4
                            ADOF
                            Bethnal Green
                            17-2
                            Jane Barron 71
                            Joseph Barron 32
                            Gertrude Barron 28
                            Fanny Barron 35
                            Joseph Barron
                            Male
                            Married
                            6 Mar 1907
                            1939
                            5 Rutherford House
                            Bethnal Green, London, England
                            Tailors Machinist
                            35
                            55
                            2
                            ADOF
                            Bethnal Green
                            17-2
                            Jane Barron 71
                            Joseph Barron 32
                            Gertrude Barron 28
                            Fanny Barron 35

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                              #15
                              This is a possible candidate for Maisie? I haven’t yet identified May’s birth.
                              Joseph
                              Barron
                              3
                              1931
                              -
                              Joseph Barron married one of these people

                              May E Payne
                              Payne
                              Bethnal Green
                              -
                              London
                              England
                              1C
                              1C
                              360
                              UPDATE Possible birth in London
                              PAYNE, MAY ELIZABETH CLARKE
                              GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 66
                              Possible birth outside London (to the south west)
                              PAYNE, MAY EMILY WEST
                              GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 183

                              This was the only May BARRON (and variants) in 1939 and she is May E with a birthdate of 10 August 1906
                              May E Barron
                              Female
                              Married
                              10 Aug 1906
                              1939
                              5 New Road
                              Winchester, Hampshire, England
                              Unpaid Domestic Duties
                              13
                              48
                              3
                              EEXB
                              Winchester
                              101/2
                              George Eades 52
                              Grace Eades 58
                              May E Barron 33

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
                                This one is pure speculation on my part but going by the index entry that might be his death, this is from the probate register. There is no will, merely a Letter of Administration but it could be crucial if the name and address of the person to whom it was granted means something to you. n.b. there is an extra forename not seen before.

                                B961ACED-9C7B-4557-A70C-424684E5DAB8.jpeg
                                I think you can discount this one. I’ve found his birth
                                BARON, JOSEPH CARLES GUTHLE
                                GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 439

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post

                                  It appears from the 1911 census that Joseph’s parents were from Russia and of the Jewish faith. I think it’s quite possible that Bresch could be a mishearing of Braz.

                                  Haven’t found the birth of the eldest child on the 1911 but the 2nd one has another variation of Braz

                                  BARRON, DORA BRESS
                                  GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 298
                                  Thank you so so much I do believe that Josephs Mother and Father were from Russia and of Jewish faith. I think the eldest child that you have mentioned was my Grandfathers Mother, Annie Cohen (maiden name Barron).

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                                    #18
                                    Following on for the possible marriage in 1931.

                                    Joseph Barron marries May E Payne
                                    Sept 1931
                                    Bethnal Green
                                    Vol 1c Page 360
                                    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV8Q-F9RT


                                    Birth of child:
                                    Name: Marrian E Barron
                                    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
                                    Registration District: Stepney
                                    Inferred County: London
                                    Mother's Maiden Name: Payne
                                    Volume Number: 1c
                                    Page Number: 187
                                    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVQZ-DTCT#

                                    You need to buy the marriage certificate to confirm Joseph's parents.
                                    Phil
                                    historyhouse.co.uk
                                    Essex - family and local history.

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                                      #19
                                      Maybe this is her without the E?
                                      17 Campers Avenue, Letchworth, Hertfordshire.

                                      D33437E0-24E8-482E-9462-0AF42E52C6EC.jpeg

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                                        #20
                                        the other post about the barron family ties in the Rutherford House address

                                        https://www.familytreeforum.com/foru...rk#post1322846
                                        Carolyn
                                        Family Tree site

                                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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