That's a good find - got to be right family - that's Anna's address 41 Light street on the marriage
Can't decide why he has a date stamped over the top.
There were more children than Vera found as the census had number declared. So must be a Patrick born 1887 - which makes sense as first boy
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Thanks Carolyn just had a few days away ancestry.
I've got Annie who married Patrick Golden I think they had 9 children found some marriages with their children. found the children on next page of the 1920 or 1930 census
will do some looking into Ellen and Thomas.
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I did have a wander around this afternoon trying to track the some of the siblings in that 1910 to 1920 period.
Ellen marries Thomas Francis Fleming as previously posted, but just to confuse things there is another one in Lynn also married to a Ellen. I think these are the ones that are in the directories.
This is the naturalisation papers for him, https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...407?pId=220143 and says his wife is in Danvers.
they appear in 1920 census separately
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...?pId=107092337 he is is Lynn as a machinist
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...4?pId=29271847 she is in Danvers as a patient but as laundress.
this is Danvers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danvers_State_Hospital I really can't decide if she works there or is a patient.
this is him as DOB ties up https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...?pId=117819356 and he has a different address for her, can't quite read it
not found any deaths records that is certainly for them
one in Danvers
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newspaper obituaries;
need a sub to see these, you can get a trial for a while, and sometimes they do free weekends, so thought I would note them down:
Jennie condon
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...9596be0cebf827
Name: Jennie Condon
Maiden Name: Dwyer
Gender: Female
Residence Place: 30 Lake
Death Date: Abt 1922
Death Place: Lynn
Obituary Date: 8 Sep 1922
Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
Spouse:
Daniel Con-den
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...3e15920a150c24
and - not sure if it is the same
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...3e15920a150c24
DetailSource
Name: Annie M. Golden
Gender: Female
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: abt 1887
Residence Place: 117 South St. .
Death Date: 20 Sep 1965
Death Place: Lynn
Obituary Date: 1 Oct 1965
Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
Spouse:
Patrick J. Golden
bit tenuous as this is Annas daughter:
Name: Elizabeth M. Clancy
Maiden Name: Golden
Gender: Female
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: abt 1915
Birth Place: Lynn
Residence Place: Lynn
Death Date: Abt 1986
Obituary Date: 8 Apr 1986
Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
Child:
Mary A. DeGrande
Helen M. Bollno
Siblings:
Gerald Goldenboth
David Goldenboth
Eugene Golden,-both
Leo Golden,-bothLast edited by cbcarolyn; 20-05-21, 09:42.
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostHad emails from Boston register office and the centre of history of medicine regarding the lyin-in at the oxford hotel.
Regarding the Oxford Hotel there is no record that the lady could find that puts the Oxford hotel as a lyin-in hotel but she has emailed me link to read all about the hospital, she has also asked for details of Elizabeth to see what she can find out
Register If there are no notes added to the register then the record stays as it is. Only a marriage record may hold information if he chose to add it. I have emailed her back asking what paperwork they would have both needed to leave the USA to return to Ireland.
As an exercise if your ok with it I am looking at christening records. If only could be found as they do reveal a lot of extra info about mum and dad. I need to find the Church favoured by Condons . Will just look now and again.
Vera
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Had emails from Boston register office and the centre of history of medicine regarding the lyin-in at the oxford hotel.
Regarding the Oxford Hotel there is no record that the lady could find that puts the Oxford hotel as a lyin-in hotel but she has emailed me link to read all about the hospital, she has also asked for details of Elizabeth to see what she can find out
Register If there are no notes added to the register then the record stays as it is. Only a marriage record may hold information if he chose to add it. I have emailed her back asking what paperwork they would have both needed to leave the USA to return to Ireland.
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
NB it is the 1921 census https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census
did you see if you can access ancestry via your library for free?
Just been looking at the records again, I am assuming that the Elizabeth Condon with Ellen and Catherine is not her? or would she have gone back for her sisters?
The one where she is meeting sister Hannah is 1 May 1914 (MA arrival record), other is 1 Sep 1915 (UK departure record to New York)
Arrival 28 Feb 1919 in UK
I have got lost on which are the correct siblings too!Last edited by cbcarolyn; 19-05-21, 16:00.
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostGarrett is with uncles David, Jeremiah and Thomas in 1901.
For info from Irishgenealogy.ie
All children of Patrick Condon, Backsmith and Mary Sullivan of Labbamologgia reg district Mitchelstown
Elizabeth b 1897 20 May
Annie M 1888
Ellen b 15 April 1887
Daniel b 1889 7 June d 24 May 1919 Lynn, Mass
Johanna b 1890 12 July
Garrett b 1892 9 July
UPDATE Mary 1894 26 Sep d
John b 1895 19 Dec
Margaret b 1899 5 April
According to 1911 Patrick and Mary had 11 children born, 9 living.
Nelly is Ellen
Hannah is Joannah
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostGarrett is with uncles David, Jeremiah and Thomas in 1901.
For info from Irishgenealogy.ie
All children of Patrick Condon, Backsmith and Mary Sullivan of Labbamologgia reg district Mitchelstown
Elizabeth b 1897 20 May
Annie M 1888
Ellen b 15 April 1887
Daniel b 1889 7 June d 24 May 1919 Lynn, Mass
Johanna b 1890 12 July
Garrett b 1892 9 July
John b 1895 19 Dec
Margaret b 1899 5 April
According to 1911 Patrick and Mary had 11 children born, 9 living.
Vera
Hannah is Johannah
Vera
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Is Nelly a child of Patrick and Mary or is this Patrick's sister
I've written all the names down and now totally lost
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
NB it is the 1921 census https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census
did you see if you can access ancestry via your library for free?
Just been looking at the records again, I am assuming that the Elizabeth Condon with Ellen and Catherine is not her? or would she have gone back for her sisters?
The one where she is meeting sister Hannah is 1 May 1914 (MA arrival record), other is 1 Sep 1915 (UK departure record to New York)
Arrival 28 Feb 1919 in UK
All joined, had to join north somersets library instead of just somerset.
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Where on earth did I get 1929 from. Got some time to spare today so can have a good look, also the ancestry DNA results should be soon as DNA as now been extracted so hoping they will also help on his side of the family.
I've had a quick look one of the links that I got via Ancestry message board, 6 records to look at and the one I opened has 843 records.
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
and I think this must be her obituary
Name: Jennie Condon
Maiden Name: Dwyer
Gender: Female
Residence Place: 30 Lake
Death Date: Abt 1922
Death Place: Lynn
Obituary Date: 8 Sep 1922
Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
Spouse:
Daniel Con-den
I don't have newspapers.com to view
interesting that many are working for Gen Elec - they must have encouraged families, unless they were massive in Lynn and one of the main places to workDC says she's buried in Saint Joseph's Cemetery, Lynn. Lots of Condons buried thereJennie Condon Female 32 7 Sep 1922 Lynn, Essex, Massachusetts, United States Lynn, Essex 1890 Ireland White Daniel Dwyer Male Mary Collins Female Daniel Condon 975
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6Z6N-JKZ6
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostThe 1929 census will be a massive help (fingers crossed) hope to find out if she stayed in Liverpool or actually went back home to Ireland. There are definitely no marriage records for her, so I'm thinking she just took Geralds fathers name and made it hers, just like my husbands nan did.
I'm going to take out a months subscription of the worldwide on Ancestry as the immigration/travel records on FMP are not as good.
A person on Ancestry post a few links to records on Family Search, they said it will be a case of going through each record to see if I can find Gerald
did you see if you can access ancestry via your library for free?
Just been looking at the records again, I am assuming that the Elizabeth Condon with Ellen and Catherine is not her? or would she have gone back for her sisters?
The one where she is meeting sister Hannah is 1 May 1914 (MA arrival record), other is 1 Sep 1915 (UK departure record to New York)
Arrival 28 Feb 1919 in UK
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostThe 1929 census will be a massive help (fingers crossed) hope to find out if she stayed in Liverpool or actually went back home to Ireland. There are definitely no marriage records for her, so I'm thinking she just took Geralds fathers name and made it hers, just like my husbands nan did.
I'm going to take out a months subscription of the worldwide on Ancestry as the immigration/travel records on FMP are not as good.
A person on Ancestry post a few links to records on Family Search, they said it will be a case of going through each record to see if I can find Gerald
I doubt Elizabeth stayed in Liverpool. As a Cook might have settled in England. There is an Elizabeth Carroll in the Willesden area on the ER with an address of Dollis Hill Hospital run by an Order of Nuns at that time.
The monthly subs are good but of course more expensive that way. Check out the sticky threads
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I have briefly looked at the christenings for beginning of 1918. No Gerald
May have something if they are willing to reveal
Vera
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The 1929 census will be a massive help (fingers crossed) hope to find out if she stayed in Liverpool or actually went back home to Ireland. There are definitely no marriage records for her, so I'm thinking she just took Geralds fathers name and made it hers, just like my husbands nan did.
I'm going to take out a months subscription of the worldwide on Ancestry as the immigration/travel records on FMP are not as good.
A person on Ancestry post a few links to records on Family Search, they said it will be a case of going through each record to see if I can find Gerald
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All that info out there but as you say Carolyn nothing about Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie who.appeared between Census. It doesn't look likely that she lived with Hannah either as Hannah was likely to be a resident nurse in the 1820's. Lizzie in 1914 was going to Hannah at a hospital on arrival.
Annie M, Nellie and and Daniel ? Patrick were in the Lynn area so maybe a church in that area for christening records. A bit of a long shot. Just remembered Daniel died pre 1920 so perhaps an obit/funeral record of family. Daniel died 1919 Lynn.
Vera
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