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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    I've been thinking the same thing.

    Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?
    that sometimes does happen. It could be Elizabeth wanted Gerald christened first and maybe some father involvement in the name.

    There is a Massacheusett index and birth records available but don't think the actual records are available for 1918. ? Go up to 1900. I think Gerald would be classed as father's nationality and country in which he was born but not sure. Lots of thinks!

    What I felt was significant was that Elizabeth appears to have been supported. She gives her address as a Boston hotel and is able to get a lying in bed. I don't think the latter were so readily available. The DNA may reveal something.

    Vera
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  • cbcarolyn
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    Mr Carroll maybe the father and maybe he did die (or married), she just never married him, so adopted his name and said they were married.

    excellent work, how exciting, I didn't see the travel to USA was it with the mother, the tree is not long in USA then, and has Irish roots.

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  • sookie23
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    I've been thinking the same thing.

    Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?

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  • vera2013
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    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...3A1%3AKBZY-RK3

    Looks like him but not named at this point. I wonder if Elizabeth just adopted the name Carroll for re-entry into family

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I'm just lost for words. Sending a massive thank you.

    Still need to find his record of birth, and a record of a Condon and Carroll. Would be nice to be proved wrong and she did at some point marry a Carroll, or even lived with a Carroll.

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  • vera2013
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    It was lovely to see little Gerald. However a basic search as sceptical about hearsay and up it pops

    Wonder if Elizabeth ever married?

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188

    Not sure if you can see this but this is

    Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool

    25 th February 1919

    11 Labbamologger, Ireland

    Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
    Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month

    country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland

    Vera
    wow what a find, interesting that not a Carroll. that has got to be her surely.

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  • sookie23
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    I have know idea how you find the information that you do, but I'm super glad you do. I've sat here for ages trying to find info but getting no where.

    My heart is pounding lol off to look at the link.

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  • vera2013
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    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188

    Not sure if you can see this but this is

    Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool

    25 th February 1919

    11 Labbamologger, Ireland

    Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
    Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month

    country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Good find Vera

    did spot this earlier, birth date wrong - but other details fit. I know this is a bit of a tangent, but did wonder if the families were linked, although Cork nowhere near Wexford!

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
    John Kinsella
    Blackwater and Killala
    Ferns
    Wexford
    27 Dec 1879
    Laurence Kinsella
    Kate Neil
    Thos Kinsella
    Bridget Kinsella
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 15-05-21, 21:24.

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  • sookie23
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    20th May is her date of birth on the 1939 Census. I'm sure the year is 1889 but I've come across 1897 somewhere, may be her age at death that I came to that.

    Yes he was put as deceased on the certificate. Elizabeth occupation Cook.

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  • vera2013
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    Just parking this one. Date and month of birth as 1939

    Elizabeth Condon b 20 May 1897 Labbamolagga, Mitchelstown, Cork
    Father Patrick - Blacksmith
    Mother Mary Sullivan

    On 1901 with family
    1911 disappears.
    Possible sighting 1915 aged 16 Liverpool to NY accompanying children Catherine 10, Ellen 5

    Sookie was Patrick Condon deceased at time of marriage of John and Elizabeth?
    Any occupation recorded for Elizabeth?

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I will go through every Elizabeth Codon that married at some point and then put the name with Gerald and see if that bring anything up.



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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    So it seems by what's on the certificate, but there is still no record of Gerald Carroll being born 8 Jan 1918.

    Not yet. Need to delve into records to try to find m between Condon and Carroll if she indeed married. That could be UK or even Ireland and then there is the hearsay re Boston! However father Patrick may turn something up. Sure Shoeingsmith is a military term.

    For info surname Condon predominant in Limerick Tipperary and Cork

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    So it seems by what's on the certificate, but there is still no record of Gerald Carroll being born 8 Jan 1918.


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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    Its here

    John Kinsella 48 years widower 21 Greenhill park Harlesden father Laurence Kinsella fathers occupation Labourer

    Elizabeth Carroll 40 years widow address as above father Patrick Condon fathers occupation shoeing smith

    witnesses Mary O Mallery and Maurice Sheehy

    no idea if that should be O'Mallery but I've typed it as it is on the certificate.
    So does confirm that she was married to a Mr Carroll, just no idea where. good info worth getting

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  • cbcarolyn
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    NB that is only the Kinsella's with "Harbour" in address

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  • vera2013
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    On great Sookie. Lots of solid info to research.

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    Its here

    John Kinsella 48 years widower 21 Greenhill park Harlesden father Laurence Kinsella fathers occupation Labourer

    Elizabeth Carroll 40 years widow address as above father Patrick Condon fathers occupation shoeing smith

    witnesses Mary O Mallery and Maurice Sheehy

    no idea if that should be O'Mallery but I've typed it as it is on the certificate.

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  • sookie23
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    WOW how many.

    I'm waiting patiently for Kinsella's will and his marriage record to Elizabeth.

    Catherine's first husband Walker died in 1937 the marriage record 1933 shows Marylebone his death is recorded in Willesden.

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