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  • sookie23
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    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    this is the Liverpool to USA, wonder if she was meeting someone there

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=34242041
    Many thanks for the link will save that now. Will also try and find the people she went over with. Looking at it would you say that's a Frank Condon under Elizabeth and her two companions.

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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post

    Are these record on Ancestry as I'm trying to find it to add to Elizabeth on my tree.
    The birth cert from Irishgenealogy.ie. You can get to see the actual birth record for free.

    The 1901 and 1911 Ireland census is online with free image.


    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    this is the Liverpool to USA, wonder if she was meeting someone there

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=34242041

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  • sookie23
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    Just parking this one. Date and month of birth as 1939

    Elizabeth Condon b 20 May 1897 Labbamolagga, Mitchelstown, Cork
    Father Patrick - Blacksmith
    Mother Mary Sullivan

    On 1901 with family
    1911 disappears.
    Possible sighting 1915 aged 16 Liverpool to NY accompanying children Catherine 10, Ellen 5

    Are these record on Ancestry as I'm trying to find it to add to Elizabeth on my tree.

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  • sookie23
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    No nothing at all just the name Gerald Carroll and deceased.

    I will email them on Monday morning as we all know emails go missing over the weekends.

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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    I'm going to email the Common wealth Massachusetts and enquire about a digital copy of the certificate, there is a form online to fill in and email back but they then call you for payment of $3 think their call to me would cost more than that. There may be more information on the actually certificate.

    I'm thinking along the lines, may be the Gerald was married fed her the usual banter, he did die, he done a runner, so many scenario's and she was still young and in a country that she didn't really know.
    Good if you could get cert and who knows what it may reveal. Fingers crossed.

    Although birth record looks a bit stark, I don't get the impression Elizabeth was left to fend for herself.

    Just 're read thread. Did Gerald give occupation of father Gerald on his mc to Elsie G?

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I'm going to email the Common wealth Massachusetts and enquire about a digital copy of the certificate, there is a form online to fill in and email back but they then call you for payment of $3 think their call to me would cost more than that. There may be more information on the actually certificate.

    I'm thinking along the lines, may be the Gerald was married fed her the usual banter, he did die, he done a runner, so many scenario's and she was still young and in a country that she didn't really know.

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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    I've been thinking the same thing.

    Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?
    that sometimes does happen. It could be Elizabeth wanted Gerald christened first and maybe some father involvement in the name.

    There is a Massacheusett index and birth records available but don't think the actual records are available for 1918. ? Go up to 1900. I think Gerald would be classed as father's nationality and country in which he was born but not sure. Lots of thinks!

    What I felt was significant was that Elizabeth appears to have been supported. She gives her address as a Boston hotel and is able to get a lying in bed. I don't think the latter were so readily available. The DNA may reveal something.

    Vera
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  • cbcarolyn
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    Mr Carroll maybe the father and maybe he did die (or married), she just never married him, so adopted his name and said they were married.

    excellent work, how exciting, I didn't see the travel to USA was it with the mother, the tree is not long in USA then, and has Irish roots.

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  • sookie23
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    I've been thinking the same thing.

    Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?

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  • vera2013
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    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...3A1%3AKBZY-RK3

    Looks like him but not named at this point. I wonder if Elizabeth just adopted the name Carroll for re-entry into family

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I'm just lost for words. Sending a massive thank you.

    Still need to find his record of birth, and a record of a Condon and Carroll. Would be nice to be proved wrong and she did at some point marry a Carroll, or even lived with a Carroll.

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  • vera2013
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    It was lovely to see little Gerald. However a basic search as sceptical about hearsay and up it pops

    Wonder if Elizabeth ever married?

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188

    Not sure if you can see this but this is

    Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool

    25 th February 1919

    11 Labbamologger, Ireland

    Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
    Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month

    country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland

    Vera
    wow what a find, interesting that not a Carroll. that has got to be her surely.

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  • sookie23
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    I have know idea how you find the information that you do, but I'm super glad you do. I've sat here for ages trying to find info but getting no where.

    My heart is pounding lol off to look at the link.

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  • vera2013
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    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188

    Not sure if you can see this but this is

    Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool

    25 th February 1919

    11 Labbamologger, Ireland

    Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
    Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month

    country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Good find Vera

    did spot this earlier, birth date wrong - but other details fit. I know this is a bit of a tangent, but did wonder if the families were linked, although Cork nowhere near Wexford!

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
    John Kinsella
    Blackwater and Killala
    Ferns
    Wexford
    27 Dec 1879
    Laurence Kinsella
    Kate Neil
    Thos Kinsella
    Bridget Kinsella
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 15-05-21, 21:24.

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  • sookie23
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    20th May is her date of birth on the 1939 Census. I'm sure the year is 1889 but I've come across 1897 somewhere, may be her age at death that I came to that.

    Yes he was put as deceased on the certificate. Elizabeth occupation Cook.

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  • vera2013
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    Just parking this one. Date and month of birth as 1939

    Elizabeth Condon b 20 May 1897 Labbamolagga, Mitchelstown, Cork
    Father Patrick - Blacksmith
    Mother Mary Sullivan

    On 1901 with family
    1911 disappears.
    Possible sighting 1915 aged 16 Liverpool to NY accompanying children Catherine 10, Ellen 5

    Sookie was Patrick Condon deceased at time of marriage of John and Elizabeth?
    Any occupation recorded for Elizabeth?

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I will go through every Elizabeth Codon that married at some point and then put the name with Gerald and see if that bring anything up.



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