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  • vera2013
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    I'm a bit confused. I need to read a bit more into this but have no knowledge of DNA. I do hope that the Elizabeth and Gerald previously identified are your husband's kin Sookie.

    Sookie did you contact the Laying in Hospital at Boston for any possible records of the birth found.?

    Did you ever request Army records?

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    hopefully the family found is correct, even if not biological, would be the family that everyone thought was right.

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  • sookie23
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    It seems a bit of a let down after all the hunting we all did to find Gerald, but never mind, theses things happen.

    DNA is a subject id like to read about as all the terminology is lost on me.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    I must admit I have very few hits from my Dads line, my husband side has many many matches all over, not sure why. There are lots on here that work with DNA and they will give advice.

    Annoying though, guess with DNA there is always the possibility of fathers not being fathers :(

    there also lots of people that never reply on ancestry.
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 30-05-21, 21:31.

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  • sookie23
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    So far I've messaged 4 people 2 have replied one is on the father in laws side the other on the nans side, still waiting for the other two to reply, still hoping for a hit on the grandads side, but not holding out much hope. I'm certain that Gerald is not the biological grandfather.

    I've put the DNA on GEDmatch and also My Heritage, my heritage are wanting £35 for me to see the ethnics of the DNA and to use their tools, still undecided if I should pay this or not. I did do a search function with the matched using the names Carroll, Condon, Golden but nothing came up.

    On Ancestry there are no throughlines in any member of the grandads side of the family. I would have thought there would have at least been one, seeing we did get a fair way with the family.

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  • sookie23
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    Will post in DNA thread

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    Well husbands DNA results came in today only saying 2% Irish in the ethnic reading. This gets me thinking that if Gerald who was of an Irish parent his DNA would have shown a higher level of Irish, am I correct in thinking this
    Are you going to put on Ancestry? in a day or 2 you will get some matches hopefully, not sure how reliable the ethnicity is, others will comment, my son and brother are my only ones and it seems reasonable, but had been revised several times over the years! 2% does seem low if his mother was irish, but her family could have moved to ireland.

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  • vera2013
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    Sookie. Can't comment on DNA but 2% seems V low. Other members hopefully will pick up your query or maybe separate thread but then that would need a reference to this one.

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    Well husbands DNA results came in today only saying 2% Irish in the ethnic reading. This gets me thinking that if Gerald who was of an Irish parent his DNA would have shown a higher level of Irish, am I correct in thinking this

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  • sookie23
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    I will have a good look tomorrow.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    for Hannah I just have the 1920 census that was posted on here as Nurse Girl. Nothing to say 100% certain. i didn't find anything obvious for her.

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  • sookie23
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    I've been looking at my hints on Ancestry and one of them leads to a tree that has Patrick Condon having a child with another woman in 1881. Martin Hanley, don't think I can take another person on that side of the family

    Ellen is a nightmare, its either Nellie or Ellen.

    Did we find out if Hanna ever got married?

    I can't believe how many Condons there are, I thought the Kinsella and Carrolls were bad enough.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    I think Annie and Thomas were easy to find - including the obit in the paper that needs a sub.

    but failed on Ellen in the end after 1920, although there was the death that may have been her.

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  • sookie23
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    That was going to be my next question. Wondering if its part of his application for citizenship?

    I've also found 2 census with an Annie and Thomas with a few children on now just trying to work out if its them.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    That's a good find - got to be right family - that's Anna's address 41 Light street on the marriage
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...rue&pId=565897

    Can't decide why he has a date stamped over the top.

    There were more children than Vera found as the census had number declared. So must be a Patrick born 1887 - which makes sense as first boy

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  • sookie23
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    Was there another Patrick in the Condon family as just found this. Puts a Ellen Condon and a Patrick Condon from Mitchelstown going to stay with sister Annie at Light Street Lynn Mass. That's the address on Annie's marriage record to Thomas.

    https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.c...rue&pId=565897

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  • sookie23
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    Thanks Carolyn just had a few days away ancestry.

    I've got Annie who married Patrick Golden I think they had 9 children found some marriages with their children. found the children on next page of the 1920 or 1930 census

    will do some looking into Ellen and Thomas.


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  • cbcarolyn
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    I did have a wander around this afternoon trying to track the some of the siblings in that 1910 to 1920 period.

    Ellen marries Thomas Francis Fleming as previously posted, but just to confuse things there is another one in Lynn also married to a Ellen. I think these are the ones that are in the directories.

    This is the naturalisation papers for him, https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...407?pId=220143 and says his wife is in Danvers.

    they appear in 1920 census separately

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...?pId=107092337 he is is Lynn as a machinist

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...4?pId=29271847 she is in Danvers as a patient but as laundress.

    this is Danvers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danvers_State_Hospital I really can't decide if she works there or is a patient.

    this is him as DOB ties up https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...?pId=117819356 and he has a different address for her, can't quite read it

    not found any deaths records that is certainly for them

    one in Danvers
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=2377909

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  • cbcarolyn
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    newspaper obituaries;
    need a sub to see these, you can get a trial for a while, and sometimes they do free weekends, so thought I would note them down:
    Jennie condon
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...9596be0cebf827

    ​​​​​Name: Jennie Condon
    Maiden Name: Dwyer
    Gender: Female
    Residence Place: 30 Lake
    Death Date: Abt 1922
    Death Place: Lynn
    Obituary Date: 8 Sep 1922
    Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
    Spouse:
    Daniel Con-den


    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...3e15920a150c24

    and - not sure if it is the same

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...3e15920a150c24

    ​​​​​​DetailSource
    Name: Annie M. Golden
    Gender: Female
    Death Age: 78
    Birth Date: abt 1887
    Residence Place: 117 South St. .
    Death Date: 20 Sep 1965
    Death Place: Lynn
    Obituary Date: 1 Oct 1965
    Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
    Spouse:
    Patrick J. Golden

    bit tenuous as this is Annas daughter:
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=1012840439196

    Name: Elizabeth M. Clancy
    Maiden Name: Golden
    Gender: Female
    Death Age: 71
    Birth Date: abt 1915
    Birth Place: Lynn
    Residence Place: Lynn
    Death Date: Abt 1986
    Obituary Date: 8 Apr 1986
    Obituary Place: Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
    Child:
    Mary A. DeGrande
    Helen M. Bollno
    Siblings:
    Gerald Goldenboth
    David Goldenboth
    Eugene Golden,-both
    Leo Golden,-both
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 20-05-21, 09:42.

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  • sookie23
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    Vera feel free to look them up when ever you want.

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