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  • sookie23
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    Not sure I fully understand Carolyn.

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  • PhotoFamily
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    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    the same process if a child has been adopted.
    Yes, a professional genetic genealogist told me once - the techniques developed for adoptees looking for their bioparent(s) work for everyone.

    DNAADOPTION.com

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  • cbcarolyn
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    I don't know anything about DNA either, but can see you are now hoping to find a father that has (or likely has) no other link to your tree. The DNA matches will have to lead to someone of the 'right' age and presumably living in the area where Gerald was born. I am assuming this will be a better match if the man fathered other children and this family have DNA tests.

    That is all that you have to go on, there won't be any people in the tree the same as yours, well unless there was some goings on within the family.

    I think in my head this is right the same process if a child has been adopted.
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 06-06-21, 22:09.

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  • sookie23
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    Carolyn have no idea when it comes to DNA and where to look, but I now understand the need to match different people up to the ones I now know are from family I can trace.

    I have asked regarding a tree and they don't have one. All they have said is its from her dads side of the family.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Have you asked the match if they have a more complete tree offline? I only keep a direct line tree attached to my DNA results.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    if you are looking for DNA matches I guess there will be no name that will match your tree? as it will be an unknown father and his subsequent family (if of course he had any), would you need to focus on males of the right age and the area? or am I missing something

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  • sookie23
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post

    Sookie I puzzled over this reply to Photofamily. I thought it was your husband's maternal grandfather who was in question??

    Vera
    so it is. His maternal grandfather.

    Yes nan is Doris, think the DNA is the only way I may possibly find out.

    Have had an email from someone and so far there is no matches on their tree's to the names mentioned.

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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    Getting no where, seems most of the dna matches are on his nans side. But I'm not giving up
    Don't know how to post a double quote. By Nan do you mean Doris?

    Very disappointing for you but early days yet and finding DNA matches quite different from finding records to support known people. Fingers crossed

    Vera

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  • vera2013
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    It is my husbands paternal grandfather I'm looking for, will definitely look into the Y-DNA test. Never know I may end up emailing a match on one of these DNA sites and it ends up being someone from that side of his family.
    Sookie I puzzled over this reply to Photofamily. I thought it was your husband's maternal grandfather who was in question??

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    Getting no where, seems most of the dna matches are on his nans side. But I'm not giving up

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  • sookie23
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    It is my husbands paternal grandfather I'm looking for, will definitely look into the Y-DNA test. Never know I may end up emailing a match on one of these DNA sites and it ends up being someone from that side of his family.

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  • PhotoFamily
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    I can't remember - is this your husband's paternal grandfather that is in question? Y-DNA testing might give a surname to work from if that is the case. And the US Father's Day is coming up, so the test will go on sale. Usual recommendation is to test at FamilyTreeDNA. YSeq is another possibility.

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  • vera2013
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    Having read last two posts I think I get it. The Gerald Carroll your husband has known as his grandfather had mother he knew as Nana Kinsella nee Elizabeth Condon. However biologically may not be the case. DNA as Carolyn said only way of maybe finding out truth if that's the route your husband still wants to go down.

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    I've emailed a few more people in hope I get a reply but I wont hold my breath, its a shame really that people have their DNA done then leave it at that.

    I'm 100% certain the info we have is all Geralds family, so we have done someone some work if they ever start to look for him. I cant thankyou both enough for the help you have given me. I will eventually move them all over to their own tree.

    I now think that Doris had an affair with Gerald but she already had her daughter. So now the hunt is to find out who is the biological father of her daughter.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    My husbands nan (Doris) was never married but claimed Gerald Carroll was the father of her daughter. Gerald was married twice once in 1939 and then again in 1946. Doris had a girl in 1944 she was born a Remfry and her name wasn't changed on the birth records until 1959 to Carroll. Doris went by the name Mrs Carroll but was never married to him.

    To me being that he was of an Irish parent/grandparent there would have been more than the 2% Irish connection.

    So now I'm hoping that the DNA results will either find Gerald is the father of Doris daughter via cousins or if not find a cousin that can point me in a direction to find out who was. Who knows if this will ever happen.

    I've uploaded the DNA to LDNA still waiting for the results can take a while by the look of it.
    MH has given me 3rd cousins onwards
    FTDNA I will have a look at now.
    That is a shame for your search, Gerald possibly didn't know any different either. So the DNA will not prove Geralds ancestry, which is a shame, as the child would have thought of Gerald as her father. The many records that have been found are making a very good case for being correct, Vera has found lots to tie them together. maybe in the next few years there will be more records released that will strengthen the case, including the UK census out next year. Wonder if we have missed anything.

    Finding the biological father (if not Gerald) will be from DNA only and I guess a learning experience, if you feel this is important to know.

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  • sookie23
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    My husbands nan (Doris) was never married but claimed Gerald Carroll was the father of her daughter. Gerald was married twice once in 1939 and then again in 1946. Doris had a girl in 1944 she was born a Remfry and her name wasn't changed on the birth records until 1959 to Carroll. Doris went by the name Mrs Carroll but was never married to him.

    To me being that he was of an Irish parent/grandparent there would have been more than the 2% Irish connection.

    So now I'm hoping that the DNA results will either find Gerald is the father of Doris daughter via cousins or if not find a cousin that can point me in a direction to find out who was. Who knows if this will ever happen.

    I've uploaded the DNA to LDNA still waiting for the results can take a while by the look of it.
    MH has given me 3rd cousins onwards
    FTDNA I will have a look at now.

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  • PhotoFamily
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    Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
    I've put the DNA on GEDmatch and also My Heritage, my heritage are wanting £35 for me to see the ethnics of the DNA and to use their tools, still undecided if I should pay this or not.
    I think you can upload to FamilyTreeDNA and LivingDNA for free. IMO, at this point you're looking for matches over ethnicity, and both sites are only going to give you matches unless you pay for more. ftDNA is unlikely to give you anything, but for free, why not look? LDNA is trying to build a database, so again unlikely to get anything.

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  • kylejustin
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    I think she means the gerald carroll that elizabeth condon claims to have been married to is not the biological father of her child.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    I am a little confused too, do you mean that Geralds child/children are not his, but you know he brought them up as his? So he would be the "adoptive/assumed" father, so still important to find his family, it just can't be confirmed by descendants DNA.

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  • vera2013
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    Hello Sookie. Bit disappointing with the responses

    Yes DNA a bit of a minefield. A little bit of googling does reveal however that if your going back a few generations links can be low but what do I know?

    When you say husband's grandfather is Gerald Carroll where did you get that info from ? a child's bc or mc?

    Will keep thinking

    Vera



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