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  • sookie23
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    Many many thanks. Will search for the wills.

    I have an Elizabeth M Kinsella. I'm sure she married John Kinsella in 1937 lived at 18 Talbot Road Neasden until his death in 1945, then she appears at Burns Road until her death in 1966.


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  • vera2013
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    Could have parted. Or maybe Elizabeth benefitted from John's Will. ? No electral rolls during War years. Elizabeth was a Carroll at time of marriage to John Kinsella. She remained Kinsella until her death in 1966.

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    Correction Probate was granted to dau Catherine Ann Marsh wife of Henry Marsh.

    John Kinsella address at 2 Minet Gardens Harlesden at time of death

    Vera
    so already parted ways from Elizabeth maybe, would explain why she used Carroll name

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  • vera2013
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    Correction Probate was granted to dau Catherine Ann Marsh wife of Henry Marsh.

    John Kinsella address at 2 Minet Gardens Harlesden at time of death

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    Something for the back burner for when you get your certs thru. I have been looking at Goodwick, Pembrokeshire, Wales where John Kinsella lived prior to appearing in Willesden. He was b Wexford. His Will is in favour of his dau Catherine b Herefordwest reg. I can see also an Elizabeth A Carroll marrying and living Pembrokeshire to a chap called Lewis T Williams. He dies 1934. Not seeing Elizabeth A in the area after 1935.

    Vera
    ooh good work, did he have a son John too? that would tie up to reg of elector? maybe for £1.50 worth getting his will?

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  • vera2013
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    Something for the back burner for when you get your certs thru. I have been looking at Goodwick, Pembrokeshire, Wales where John Kinsella lived prior to appearing in Willesden. He was b Wexford. His Will is in favour of his dau Catherine b Herefordwest reg.

    I can see also an Elizabeth A Carroll marrying and living Pembrokeshire to a chap called Lewis T Williams. He dies 1934. Not seeing Elizabeth A in the area after 1935.
    EDIT Elizabeth Carroll Williams dies 1937. Buried with William in Pembrokeshire

    Vera

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  • kylejustin
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    An administration means there was no valid will found at the time, so obtaining the admin will just usually be the person granted probate. Can be next of kin or a lawyer for example.

    though that doesn't mean a will won't be found later, i have an example of that. The probate process had to happen all over again.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/ for wills, you need to select the right year band in tab at top. they are £1.50.

    If they say administration then there is no will (sorry I don't know technical terms - someone will correct me hopefully), just a form on who is sorting out the probate. But if you have nothing it may give you something.

    I can't remember if there was one now.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Nope. Probate Service. Official government site. Don’t go with 3rd party ones.

    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

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  • sookie23
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    Do I order the will from the GRO?

    Will get them all ordered. Thanks

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  • cbcarolyn
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    also it may be worth getting his second marriage cert - see if he puts same fathers name, and also Elizabeths death cert.

    She didn't seem to have a will it was just admin, for £1.50 that might be worth getting it could have another address/person on there.

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  • kylejustin
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    I think you need to get the marriage certificate of elizabeth. It will give you her father's name, then you can look in america and ireland for a marriage of her to gerald.

    might increase your chances of finding more information.
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  • sookie23
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    I think I'm going to have to leave him for a while. I've tried the addresses and nothing and there is nothing more dishearten/annoying/frustrating than hitting dead ends continually.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    his beginning certainly sounds elusive. Maybe the next census will provide some answers, now less than a year away hopefully.

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  • sookie23
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    Will look at them links now. Had a day off from it all as feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall. I've a feeling its going to be a very long search to find Gerald.

    My husband does have a copy of the dispatches his nan did give them to him, I've never seen them though.

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  • vera2013
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    There is also the military records if you don't already have them. Charges apply and they can take a long time.

    I note that the Croydon memorial has Gerald as belonging to RAMC which I believe to be an error.. Have you seen that Memorial. Centre of Croydon next to Town Hall.

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource

    Page 8
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...36456/data.pdf

    Its amazing what comes out of a rummage. It's often said on here you only need one snippet as Carolyn will testify to one of her newspaper finds.

    Vera

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  • cbcarolyn
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    that was worth a rummage. You can try also searching Ancestry and FMP (in keywords - not that reliable - but always worth a try) and newspapers for the addresses, you might find phone book entry/reg of elector or anything really. Another family member might suddenly pop up with them that you never knew existed.

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  • vera2013
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    Check out HM Land Registry. The Gov.UK site.

    Vera

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  • sookie23
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    Well I've found 3 addresses now for Gerald Carroll these are on the vehicle registrations and a bank book.


    Is there anyway to check old records on who owned a property. I've also come across solicitor letters dated back to 1957 for a purchase of a house. Plus a letter to my husbands nan from the same solicitors in 1963 after Gerald deaths for them to defend her against the claim for possession.

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  • sookie23
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    That' brilliant. I love looking at old photos and reading about people lives.

    Off to look at them vehicle registrations.

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