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"What do you think of me on the other side,"
How I used to look two years ago.
^What piece the bday's naughty tat-ta"!
Hope you can keep yourself warm this weather
Yours Sincerely
Ruby
Not sure about piece and bdays'
Off hand, I'd wonder if it was a birthday card with the type of laughter/teasing about adding a couple of years. Did they have a period when they were apart?
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Originally posted by PhotoFamily View Post"What do you think of me on the other side,"
How I used to look two years ago.
^What piece the bday's naughty tat-ta"!
Hope you can keep yourself warm this weather
Yours Sincerely
Ruby
Not sure about piece and bdays'
Off hand, I'd wonder if it was a birthday card with the type of laughter/teasing about adding a couple of years. Did they have a period when they were apart?Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Could it be “what price” - some sort of reference to the “saxpence”/sixpence pun on the picture side of the card?
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Found these references to a music hall song mentioning tat-ta. Cleverer minds than me might find the connection!
https://tredwellsmusic.com/put-on-yo...k-out-of-print
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R139664-P...-/274039732291
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just found the full song sheet on Trove but it's hard to read on my ipad.
Phil
historyhouse.co.uk
Essex - family and local history.
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Good finds, keldon, but I can’t see the connection either. I followed your thoughts and looked up that song and found these lyrics...I’m none the wiserPUT ON YOUR TAT-TA LITTLE GIRLIE Johnny loved a pretty girl on whom he used to call
And he thought the girl that fact would like to know
How to break the news to her he'd no idea at all
And he let no end of splendid chances go
"Best thing I can do," said he, "Is take her for a stroll
To propose indoors is hardly right
What you want's a place with no one near you, not a soul
So I think I'll say when I call round tonight
Chorus: "Put on your tat-ta little girlie, do what I want you to
Far from the busy hurly burly, I've got lots to say to you
My head's completely twirly whirly, my girl I want you to be
So put on your tat-ta your pretty little tat-ta
And come out a tat-ta with me"
Johnny called that evening, but had scarcely said his say
When a heavy shower of rain began to fall
"Can't go out in this" exclaimed the girl in blank dismay
"It would simply spoil my tat-ta once for all
Let's stay in the parlour, John, it's nice and comfy here
And we'll both sit in the cosy corner seat
If it's fine tomorrow I'll be dressed and ready dear
Should you care your invitation to repeat
Chorus:
Some men are backward in proposing, so they say
But if She's made up her mind that He's the one
Let him merely show the will, she'll soon find out the way
And before he's quite aware of it, it's done
Johnny and the girl sat in the parlour quite a while
But to tell you all they said would be a shame
Since that night he seems to wear an everlasting smile
And no more has special reason to exclaim
Chorus:Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Is there a west coast of Scotland - Ireland link to the sender and receiver of the postcard?
Saxpence is a Scots version of sixpence - sax meaning six eg. our first joint monarch in English is referred to as James the sixth and first. In Scots he was known as Jamie Saxt. I wonder also about such a connection as I think the word boy is spelled bhoy which has connections to the Glasgow area and in particular those of the RC faith with roots in Eire. The boy is dressed in a green outfit apart from his ginormous Tam o’ Shanter bonnet.
I have absolutely no idea what a ‘naughty tat-ta’ is - the mind boggles
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my Dad used to say are you coming out "tats" - completely forgotten he said that, meaning coming outside I think, like for a walk. I will have to ask him, he probably won't remember now or hear me!Carolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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hee hee - just googled it
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phra...ion321160.html
https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/60/messages/724.html
although no one seems to know why or where - they just said itLast edited by cbcarolyn; 22-02-21, 23:08.Carolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by PhotoFamily View PostCould what looks like b'hay just be "boy" with a 'h' just be a slip of the pen?
Then it would read
What price the boy's naughty tat-ta"
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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I have to say I don't even understand the postcard pictureCarolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI have to say I don't even understand the postcard picture
Bit of a weird choice of subject matter for a picture postcard but there’s no accounting for taste!
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Originally posted by Karamazov View Post
I think she’s just banged the tambourine which is now held out for a donation - and he is reaching into his pocket for sixpence.
Bit of a weird choice of subject matter for a picture postcard but there’s no accounting for taste!
Christine
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Here's the song, for what its worth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlsues3NBb4
I thought it said "what price the Chay's naughty tat-ta" and thought it might be a reference to an act, or a couple named Chay (surname) who did a naughty version of the song?
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Lots of interesting thoughts there. Thank you all.
My mind is full of images of them, pre marriage and involved in music hall. I have recently listened to the BBC Home Front series where there was a story line about concert hall people and also bits about young men offering money to pretty girls just for a kiss. I wonder if she was making a covert reference to them having some elicit kisses at the end of an evening. Maybe she thinks he got more than his sixpenny worth the night before? The tat-ta bit is still confusing but seems connected with going out, saying goodbye and maybe ‘put on your tat-ta’ in the song is some kind of hat or coat for ‘walking out’ - although I’m surprised that hasn’t come up in any of our searches.
There is no Scottish connection, both families are firmly London based, but I still think that the word bhoy’s is just a slip of the pen.
It still doesn’t quite add up though, does it?Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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I've changed my mind and agree it's bhoys, but I don't think its a slip of the pen. There was a music hall song called "One Of The Bhoys", and I noticed in 1910 an advert in The Stage referencing Keen & Karl (the Bhoys) who were seeking character comedians. Another advert in The Stage 14 Oct 1915 references a Harold Beaumont "lately entertaining the Bhoys in France"
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Well found, Teasie. I think the whole thing must just be a bit of a private joke between them based on their knowledge of music hall songs of the day.
How very formal that she signed it Yours Sincerely. Maybe it was early on in their friendship.
This is them - Ruby front right and Bert in the middle
Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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I was always under the impression that “bhoy” was an Irish or Scottish slang spelling of “boy”.
And, incidentally in my day the standard way of ending a letter (unless it was a love letter) was the use of Yours sincerely.
We have tended to forget this as no one writes letters anymore.Whoever said Seek and Ye shall find was not a genealogist.
David
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