What happened to Thomas Chambers' family post 1911?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

I thought I'd asked this before but obviously not.

Mar 1901 marriage of Thomas Chambers 1865-1947 to Ruth O'Brien b1884 at Lincoln (I have the cert).

They had 4 children
Elizabeth 1902-d1905
Lucy 1903
Charlotte 1905
Henry William 1906-d1907

I have them in 1911 but nothing after that for Ruth or Lucy & Charlotte

[cbcarolyn]

there is a Lucy Chambers marriage here
Name Lucy Chambers
Registration Date Jul 1927
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Lincoln
Inferred County Lincolnshire
Spouse Walter R Clark
Volume Number 7a
Page number 1453

and there is a Ruth Clark on 1939 reg

93 Moorland Ave
Household Members
Name Age
Lucy Clark 36
Jeffrey R Clark 10
Peter K Clark 5
Keith R Clark 4

3 lines redacted, says she is married.

[Gardengirl]

Have you looked for marriages on freeBMD. I had a quick look and there are lots of Lucy Chambers marriages - including a couple of Lincoln ones

Mar 1921

Chambers	Lucy	Oram	Lincoln	7a	1159

Sep 1927

Chambers

Lucy

Clark

Lincoln

7a

1453

And you'll probably find some for the other children, too.

Edit Oops, Carolyn posted while I was searching.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

The Chambers/Oram marriage is for a Lucy born in1899.

[cbcarolyn]

possible marriage

Name: Charlotte Chambers
Registration Date: Oct 1923
[Nov 1923]
[Dec 1923]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Spouse: Walter Andrews
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 1224

[cbcarolyn]

there is a tree on Ancestry, so worth a look on there (via Library if no sub)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/167088750/person/102230097203/facts

she says married to Walter and has 4 children

is with James E Leeming - but not married

and then marries William Leesing

[Karamazov]

Hi Glen, hope all is well with you.

You already have death info for Thomas but have you seen this?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...homas-chambers

Christine

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Hi Glen, hope all is well with you.

You already have death info for Thomas but have you seen this?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...homas-chambers

Christine

That's one of the 160 odd memorials I've been adding there recently I've got the LFHS burial transcripts. There's one other burial in the plot in the name Emma Hallam in 1956 (born abt 1873), As far as I know she isn't connected though there are a couple Emma Chambers I haven't managed to work out yet either.


No library access to Ancestry so I can't check the tree cbc linked too. Nothing on FMP or Familysearch that looks close. There's a Chambers tree on Tribal Pages but I know it's mangled and there's a lot of incorrect guesses as to which Chambers married who in it.

[cbcarolyn]

No library access to Ancestry so I can't check the tree cbc linked too. Nothing on FMP or Familysearch that looks close. There's a Chambers tree on Tribal Pages but I know it's mangled and there's a lot of incorrect guesses as to which Chambers married who in it.

is that because they stopped? some info here from last summer https://www.familytreeforum.com/foru...erywhere/page3 this is a service offered by Ancestry and the libraries need to allow log on.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

It's all been played with as there's a charity within a charity that runs the libraries.

I've found the Clark/Chambers listing in 3 Ancestry trees and a 1939 at Moorland Ave, Lincoln. Same address in the 1967 Kelly's. Cremation in 1994, address unknown. There's a couple of possible cremations in the name of the husband but in the GRO they are 1913 and 1917 births so not really good for the 1927 marriage. No probate for any of them.

My marriage database only goes to 1923.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Had another look at the 1939 and through the bmd and I think Charlotte had 5 kids, (possibly 6 but she would have only been 15 or 16 with the first).

The three kids born 1928-1931 each appear in the bmd twice with a different surname, quarters and page numbers are the same in each case. Nothing on the freebmd scans to cross reference them

Example using a name that's not redacted in the 1939

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Andrews Margaret mmn Chambers Lincoln 7a 711

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Leeman Margaret mmn Chambers Lincoln 7a 711

Dumb Question of the year coming up; Are there two certs for each of them (one in each name), or was there an amendment to the index?

[teasie]

It usually means that the parents were not married but both were present at registration, and as children were not given their own surname on a birth certificate until 1969, the birth is instead registered in the indexes under both surnames.

The GRO in their wisdom, record this differently again - using the fathers surname only and no mmn for the mother

LEEMAN, MARGARET (no mmn) GRO Reference: 1929 D Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 711

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Bless the GRO for that little trick, at least that explains a few I've seen on the GRO site.

I wish Charlotte plus her aunts and uncles didn't spend their lives having kids with someone other than the spouse though, they are all as bad as each other and the kids use either one or both surnames, swap them around, change the spelling as they see fit ad generally assume a different identity about every three weeks.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

In 1911 Thomas, Ruth and two surviving children Lucy and Charlotte.

In 1915 there's a new woman on the horizon, she's called Nellie & married to a chap who signed up to the army in 1915, he was killed in 1917.

Thomas and Nelly never married but had five children 1916-1928, from the baptism of the first (noted as illegitimate), through to the death of Thomas in 1947 they were always at the same address. I can only guess that first wife Ruth was still around so Thomas wasn't free to marry.

Altogether Thomas had 9 children, I've managed to trace them all through to their deaths, found the death for Nelly (in the surname of Chambers), the only thing I haven't been able to find is what happened to Ruth after the 1911 census. I just love answering lots of questions I never asked but still unable to answer the one question I set out with.

Edit to say a daughter to Thomas and Nelly is named Lucy, so he had two daughters by the same name in both relationships, both survived to adulthood.