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    i need help reading a name in a will, please. i know who everyone is except for the niece whose name i can't read.

    prerogative court of canterbury wills on ancestry: dorothy cloake 1804 romford, essex

    2nd last line on page 1:

    "unto my three nieces, mary mc? widow, sarah prior and anne prior, spinsters"

    repeated again on page 2, line 15 from bottom of main will (where wittness signatures are)

    "and niece mary mckea? widow, executrixes..."

    and again in the probate "by the oath of mary mc? widow"

    any ideas on what the name is? the handwriting is florid, even for pcc wills!
    assuming her maiden name is "prior"- as she is mentioned with sarah and anne, i can't find a mary prior marriage to a "mc" anything in essex.

    #2
    Have had a look and notice that she cites some names within the will with Mr or Mrs. Is it possible this could Mrs Rea or something similar?
    Bubblebelle x

    FAMILY INTERESTS: Pitts of Sherborne Gloucs. Deaney (Bucks). Pye of Kent. Randolph of Lydd, Kent. Youell of Norfolk and Suffolk. Howe of Lampton. Carden of Bucks.

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      #3
      Its almost as if the will writer wasn't sure either, and made it a bit hard to read! have added snips
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      Carolyn
      Family Tree site

      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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        #4
        I'm wondering whether the Mc/Mr you are seeing is Mary's middle name shortened with superscript as, for example, Elizabeth is written Eliz th. Can't think what name that would be though.
        Kat
        https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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          #5
          Could it be meant to say 'Mary, Mr Kea's widow'. It doesn't really look like Mc on any of the examples. Not sure if it is Kea or some other short name though.

          Anne

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            #6
            Do you know Dorothy's siblings? Was her maiden name Prior or had a sister married a Prior?

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              #7
              The maiden name is "spurling" also sper/spar. There is a john prior, widower marriage to a sarah spurling (no marital status) in 1762 at hornchurch. Never been able to track them forwards, and no birth for that sarah. Though strongly suspect this is the correct marriage and an unknown sister, parents of the nieces in the will. Have pondered if that marriage was connected for years.

              i know what happened to dorothy's siblings, bar one. Their parents are a bit iffy. Hard to prove things with paucity of detail in romford parish registers.

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                #8
                I assume that none of Dorothy's siblings had a daughter Mary as far as you know.

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                  #9
                  Only one sister, mary, is unaccounted for. The only sister to have kids was susan, mentioned with her kids in the will. I'm sure the john prior/sarah spurling marriage is correct, i can't find births though.

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                    #10
                    Probably stating the obvious, but a niece could be her husbands sisters child.
                    Carolyn
                    Family Tree site

                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                      #11
                      Or even a previous husbands niece. Or possibly a person that she thought of as a niece although technically not.

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                        #12
                        Just found this marriage on FMP in Essex. Don't know the area though.

                        Mary Sparling of West Bergholt
                        Robert Read of Fordham
                        Married on 2 Jul 1765 at West Bergholt.

                        Not checked for any children yet.

                        Lin

                        Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

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                          #13
                          have you found the wills of either husbands - just wondering if they my mention. Do you have death dates?

                          I can see marriage of Dorothy Woolstone to John Cloake 1/1/1782 he is from St Ann Westminster, not searched any further in case you have already looked at these.

                          There is this will of John Cloake in St Ann Soho (I assume this is possibly same place) - him or maybe his father? Probate Date: 4 Jul 1786

                          Also a John Cloake in Princes Street in rate books of Westminster
                          and a marriage in 1778 to Elizabeth Bradford St Ann Soho
                          Last edited by cbcarolyn; 07-11-20, 16:01.
                          Carolyn
                          Family Tree site

                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                            The maiden name is "spurling" also sper/spar. There is a john prior, widower marriage to a sarah spurling (no marital status) in 1762 at hornchurch. Never been able to track them forwards, and no birth for that sarah. Though strongly suspect this is the correct marriage and an unknown sister, parents of the nieces in the will. Have pondered if that marriage was connected for years.

                            i know what happened to dorothy's siblings, bar one. Their parents are a bit iffy. Hard to prove things with paucity of detail in romford parish registers.
                            There is a Mary Prior b 1865 Hornchurch f John m Sarah. Bap 29 Sep 1865.

                            I can see a marriage of a Mary Prior to Peter McLea transcribed Clea Westminster 1794.

                            Also a death of Mary McLea 1853 Bayswater. Letters of Administration to Ann Prior, Spinster, sister, Camberwell.

                            However Mary Mc?? Was recorded as a widow in 1804. Can't see a death for Peter McLea

                            EDIT on FMP a Mary McClea was buried Hornchurch St Andrew 19 Nov 1853 aged 88. Residence Rectory, Duke St, Grosvenor Sq, London

                            Vera

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                              #15
                              Just come across this one

                              Peter Mclea burial 30 May 1798 Hornchurch
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                #16
                                Burial record I could find for Peter

                                https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...110&cat=495537

                                and Mary

                                https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...095&cat=495537

                                ever hopeful of a note on the parish record!
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                  #17
                                  Ooh! Think you've done it ladies! I had suspected they might have lived in london, as other family members did at times. But couldn't find enough scraps to look properly!

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                                    #18
                                    so, done some digging.

                                    1) john cloake- that will mentions a wife, but not by name! so not sure if that is dorothy's husband. there is no will i could find in the PCC or essex archives wills for john woolstone plus variants.

                                    2) there are 4 children born at hornchurch to a john and sarah prior (just trawled registers): betty 1763 (not mentioned in aunt's will, no burial found), mary 1765, sarah 1767 (mentioned in aunt's will), and anne 1770. there is only one sarah prior burial in hornchurch, in 1794 of a pauper. there are two possibilities for john prior: 1803 (no info on record) or 1809, age 83. he is in the death duties index, listed as insolvent in 1810.

                                    3) mary prior married peter mcclea in st james piccadilly in 1794. wittnesses sam pride and anne wilson. they mean nothing to me. peter mcclea buried in 1798 at hornchurch, no details in the hornchurch register.

                                    4) mary mcclea and anne prior are living together in the 1851 census in paddington london. listed as mcaldred b.1776 and prier b.1782 both in hornchurch on FMP. they have a visitor, henrietta shaw b.1808 hornchurch with them. so i know we're on the right track, as she is my aunt. can't spot either in 1841 nor anne in 1861.

                                    5) mary mcclea d.1853, grosvenor square. ordered the death and admin. anne prior d..1863, camberwell. ordered death and will. both buried in hornchurch.

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                                      #19
                                      kylejustin point 4 sounds like a good bonus - always like it when you can get a connection.

                                      I notice the Westminster marriage had Prior as Prier, so sounds like a common mis spelling/transcription.

                                      does seem to be a big Westminster connection - any idea what they were doing there. I did find an apprentice record for one of the husbands name to be a Surveyor. I don't know Hornchurch much, shopping in Romford for years as a teenager is all I can offer! Wonder what the connection was
                                      Carolyn
                                      Family Tree site

                                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                        #20
                                        Henrietta was previously missing in 1851, and she is 'shan' no forename on fmp. So a really good find. She was also anne prior's executor. Wonder if they are together in 1861 now!

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