Does anyone know please...

[Darksecretz]

Have been trying to do a little tree work but have hit a bit of a problem, how likely was it to be married at 15 in 1806?

I have Elizabeth Pinder that married Benjamin Osborn in 1806... first child born 1807 [Basford/Nottingham] on their respective deaths she died 1859 aged 67 and he died in 1861 aged 76. yet she was supposed to have been born in Sutton [in Ashfield] but can't find a likely one.. [I'm wondering if the age of death for Elizabeth is wrong??] and yes I realise that whoever gave the info at death to the registrar might not have known her YOB, so a few years out maybe...

I'm just going to have a look in census.

[Darksecretz]

hmmn 1841 gives age as 50, whereas 1851 gives it as 67.. so she can't have died in 1859 aged 67 mmmmn.

[Katarzyna]

Have you found a baptism for her? Her age could have been 50 - 54 for 1841 but a 13 year difference is a heck of a lot. Have you checked the images ? Are the ages shown really clearly?

[Darksecretz]

Have you found a baptism for her? Her age could have been 50 - 54 for 1841 but a 13 year difference is a heck of a lot. Have you checked the images ? Are the ages shown really clearly?

No I haven't found a baptism yet Kat, this is what I'm trying to find... a contact has her getting married at 15 but I think that this is a bit young???

I'm trying a few variants of the name to see what else this throws up.

[Darksecretz]

This is part of the 1851 census showing her age, it could be 61 I suppose.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/DBYHO107_2144_2144-0108?pId=10442272

Elizabeth Osborn.jpg

[cbcarolyn]

on FMP for him there is this:
Baptism date 01 May 1785
Residence Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottingham, England
Place Sutton in Ashfield
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Osborn
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

for her, can't see anything in Sutton
fancy
Cuckney, Wollaton and Nottingham? I don't know geography there.

[cbcarolyn]

I would say that is 61, does that fit better

[Darksecretz]

on FMP for him there is this:
Baptism date 01 May 1785
Residence Sutton-in-Ashfield, Nottingham, England
Place Sutton in Ashfield
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Osborn
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

for her, can't see anything in Sutton
fancy
Cuckney, Wollaton and Nottingham? I don't know geography there.

that's Benjamin yes, but like you I cant find anything for her.

Cuckney is north notts almost Derbyshire/ollerton way.
Wollaton is on outskirts of city centre.

I would say that is 61, does that fit better

Not really.

I have her birth penned in as 1784 pretty much the same as Benjamin. Though playing about with Eli*** Pind** I get and Elisabeth that is bapt in Basford
in 1780!

Eliz/Benjamin do however marry in Basford in the same church have two children then move to Sutton.

can you see anything on FMP for Elisabeth Pindar at all? [ I know they married there [Basford, St Leodegarius] in 1806

[Lin Fisher]

Hi, not much on FMP really.

Bap 4 Jun 1780 Basford d/o John and Sarah. At St Leodegarius.

Bap 11 Mar 1791 D/o William and Martha. St Leonards Wollaton, not far from Basford.

Wondered if any other parents names fitted with their children.

Julie, where did they die? Couldn't find anything that matched but you know me, can easily have missed it!!

[cbcarolyn]

the marriage is on FMP in many guises, but no obvious baptism for Elizabeth

this is eli* pin* 1781 10 years either way - there are some pinks and pinkneys tried pi*er nothing better

First name(s) Elisabeth
Last name Pindar
Birth year -
Baptism year 1775
Baptism date 12 Nov 1775
Denomination Anglican
Church St Leodegarius
Baptism place Basford
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Pindar
Mother's first name(s) Elisabeth
Mother's last name Pindar
County Nottinghamshire

First name(s) Elisabeth
Last name Pindar
Birth year -
Baptism year 1780
Baptism date 04 Jun 1780
Denomination Anglican
Church St Leodegarius
Baptism place Basford
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Pindar
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Pindar

Then Wollaton
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Pinder
Birth year -
Baptism year 1791
Baptism date 11 Mar 1791
Denomination Anglican
Church St Leonard
Baptism place Wollaton
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Pinder
Mother's first name(s) Martha
Mother's last name Pinder

Nottingham
First name(s) Elisabeth
Last name Pinder
Birth year -
Baptism year 1789
Baptism date 27 Jul 1789
Denomination Anglican
Church St Mary
Place Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Pinder
Mother's first name(s) Mary

First name(s) Elisabeth
Last name Pinder
Birth year -
Baptism year 1787
Baptism date 16 Dec 1787
Denomination Anglican
Church St Mary
Place Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Pinder
Mother's first name(s) Sarah

[cbcarolyn]

...sorry took too long posting to so crossed with Lin Fisher

[Lin Fisher]

Don't worry, I took the easy route!!

[Darksecretz]

Hi, not much on FMP really.

Bap 4 Jun 1780 Basford d/o John and Sarah. At St Leodegarius.

Bap 11 Mar 1791 D/o William and Martha. St Leonards Wollaton, not far from Basford.

Wondered if any other parents names fitted with their children.

Julie, where did they die? Couldn't find anything that matched but you know me, can easily have missed it!!

They died in derby/derbyshire... she dies in Milford/duffield and he in derby itself [presume workhouse infirmary] have certs on order.

They have children:

Maria 1807
Marianne 1809 - 1896
Mark 1811
Edmund 1814 -1888
Benjamin 1816-1817
Elizabeth 1818 -1899
Harriet 1821
Martha 1823-1894
Joseph 1825-1830
Benjamin 1825
Thomas 1827
Joseph 1830
George 1832

that's about all I know atm.

[Darksecretz]

...sorry took too long posting to so crossed with Lin Fisher

noo better that you post and come up with the same results I find

[Lin Fisher]

Be good to know what the certs say.

We go through Milford on the way to Belper on the bus and a lot of old buildings there.

They have a Martha that would fit with the Wollaton baptism but that is not good enough evidence really.

[bubblebelle]

Julie. I still have anaesthetic brain ( my excuse) so not been able to follow the families others have suggested. But to your initial query, yes it is possible she may have been married at 15. I am in process of writing up a blog for a lady in my tree, who married at 14/15, her spouse being about 10 years older.

Although I haven't been able to find a license regarding the marriage, I noticed that on the marriage certificate her father has signed the document and identified himself as such.

The circumstances in her life may explain the reason for such a young marriage.

[Darksecretz]

Be good to know what the certs say.

We go through Milford on the way to Belper on the bus and a lot of old buildings there.

They have a Martha that would fit with the Wollaton baptism but that is not good enough evidence really.

That's right Lin, they lived in Milford for quite a while, I know of it but not sure I have ever been through it.

I suspect I will just have to see what unfolds [if anything] from the death pdfs. It'd be nice to see the marriage entry in the parish register to see if witness' names mean anything, and even then that won't give me Fathers name. I was kind of hoping that Elisabeth was bapt at St Leodegarius there are same name Pind*rs that could be brothers/uncles that have children bapt there... just a bit confused as to why they'd marry there have two children then move back to Sutton...

Julie. I still have anaesthetic brain ( my excuse) so not been able to follow the families others have suggested. But to your initial query, yes it is possible she may have been married at 15. I am in process of writing up a blog for a lady in my tree, who married at 14/15, her spouse being about 10 years older.

Although I haven't been able to find a license regarding the marriage, I noticed that on the marriage certificate her father has signed the document and identified himself as such.

The circumstances in her life may explain the reason for such a young marriage.

I can't get to see the marriage entry and there won't be a cert as such as it was 1806.. The PRs that would be on fiche I can't access because of Covid!... always something to block the way!!...

[Lin Fisher]

Just had a look on Freereg as they often transcribe everything and it doesn't have any witnesses on the marriage.

Do you think he moved to Nottingham for work and after a while decided he had better prospects in Sutton. Also he moved to Milford so didn't mind travelling.

How many families are there like this that we can't find out shy they did things.

[Darksecretz]

Just had a look on Freereg as they often transcribe everything and it doesn't have any witnesses on the marriage.

Do you think he moved to Nottingham for work and after a while decided he had better prospects in Sutton. Also he moved to Milford so didn't mind travelling.

How many families are there like this that we can't find out shy they did things.

I know what you mean I'm just having a moan.

Presumably they moved to Milford cos of the mills? I guess we can guess till the cows come home but will never know for certain.

[bubblebelle]

I can't get to see the marriage entry and there won't be a cert as such as it was 1806.. The PRs that would be on fiche I can't access because of Covid!... always something to block the way!!...

Luckily the parish record was for Westminster so on Ancestry or FMP, but like yours pre cert in 1834.