Hello! Can anyone help with telling me what the name of the next of kin could possibly be or what some of the letters are at least? I think it may say Johanna Mag? But honestly, I have no idea. Thank you!
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Originally posted by Tilly Mint View Post1st name looks like Ann to me.......
Bag?Last edited by cbcarolyn; 18-10-20, 17:47.Carolyn
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Just noticed that it looks like two different people wrote the line naming next of kin and the lines about his character and the two below that. The initials of the officer making the entry are in the last column and the initials for the next of kin line are different to those for the person who wrote the three lines at the bottom. So I now think I was wrong in post #2 that the capital B in Bad matched the first letter of the surname of the next of kin.
Now I really haven’t a clue what the mother’s name could be.
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Not sure of mother’s first name but think surname could be Bag, despite the Bad in the character comments and the NOK details being written by 2 different people.I wonder why “mother” is in inverted commas?
I did a quick search for Bag/Bagg/Bagge in the 1901 Irish census - no results for Bag but virtually all the results for Bagg and Bagge were from Waterford, so it looks to be a very localised surname.
I can’t make out the the first word in the address but the rest reads Parish of Modiligo, county Waterford. (Modern spelling for the parish is Modelligo)
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Thanks all. I think it may be Bag too, or Bagge because, my GG grandfather was WIlliam Heffernan and there is a William born around the time to an Ann Bagg so it could be. I also wondered why the word mother was inverted commas, I wasn't sure if that was normal or not. I believe the 1st word of the address is Vickerstown, could be wrong though.
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That makes sense. I couldn’t find a Bag or variant in Vicarstown on 1901 or 1911 censuses but there are Heffernan and variants. Have added in House number 1 in 1901 because in 1911 part of what is likely this family are now in Vicarstown South with a Heffernan servant. Looks like father has died and the brothers have moved house. You can see the “all information” in the actual images at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Residents of a house 1 in Vicarstown North (Modelligo, Waterford)
Show all information1901 Residents of a house 2 in Vicarstown North (Modelligo, Waterford)Kiely Patrick 60 Male Head of Family Catholic Kiely Michael 30 Male Son Catholic Kiely Patrick 28 Male Son Catholic Kiely John 24 Male Son Catholic Walsh Margret 20 Female Servant Catholic Walsh Noragh 10 Female Servant Catholic Morrisey Thomas 60 Male Servant Catholic
Show all information1901 Residents of a house 3 in Vicarstown North (Modelligo, Waterford)Cullinane Michael 38 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Cullinane Mary 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Mahony Maggie 18 Female Relative Roman Catholic
Show all information1911 Residents of a house 1 in Vicarstown, North (Modelligo, Waterford)Heffernan Ellen 50 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Heffernan Kate 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Heffernan Hanora 11 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Heffernan Ellen 9 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Heffernan Michael 8 Male Son Roman Catholic
Show all information1911 Residents of a house 2 in Vicarstown, North (Modelligo, Waterford)Kiely John 32 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Kiely Michael 41 Male Brother Roman Catholic Kiely Patrick 38 Male Brother Roman Catholic Hoffernan Michael 18 Male Servant Roman Catholic
Show all information1911 Residents of a house 1 in Vicarstown, South (Modelligo, Waterford)Heffernane Ellen 60 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Heffernane Mary 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Heffernane Ellen 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Show all informationHickey Patrick 51 Male Head of Family Catholic Hickey Margaret 44 Female Wife Catholic Hickey James 18 Male Son Catholic Hickey John 17 Male Son Catholic Hickey Bridget 16 Female Daughter Catholic Hickey Richard 14 Male Son Catholic Hickey Thomas 12 Male Son Catholic Hickey Catherine 11 Female Daughter Catholic Hickey Margaret 9 Female Daughter Catholic Hickey Maurice 7 Male Son Catholic Hickey Mary 2 Female Daughter Catholic Cahill Patrick 65 Female Servant Catholic Heffernane Norah 22 Male Servant Catholic
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I found these records with the same parents and location as my WIlliam so I'm assuming they're his siblings but I can't find a marriage record for Anne Bagge and Michael Heffernan. Those census records look promising, maybe the Ellen is his sister but not sure as you'd have thought she maybe would've got married at some point? My William was in Wales in 1901 and 1911, can't find him in 1891 at all. I hope these links work.
Is the adding of "am" on the names just a thing they did on baptism records? I'm assuming their names are Ellen, Margaret and Honor but I don't know.
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Originally posted by Nora View PostI found these records with the same parents and location as my WIlliam so I'm assuming they're his siblings but I can't find a marriage record for Anne Bagge and Michael Heffernan. Those census records look promising, maybe the Ellen is his sister but not sure as you'd have thought she maybe would've got married at some point? My William was in Wales in 1901 and 1911, can't find him in 1891 at all. I hope these links work.
Is the adding of "am" on the names just a thing they did on baptism records? I'm assuming their names are Ellen, Margaret and Honor but I don't know.
The different endings of the parents’ first names are because it is the Latin genitive ending, the equivalent of son/daughter of Michael and Ann.
It is only first names that have inflected endings, never surnames.
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
I don't know why I can't find the others though.
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The Irish Catholic records are free to view on FMP - as well as the 3 you found, I found William too. Gulielmus is the latinised version of William (Gulielmum in the accusative case)
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/...ountry=ireland
Christine
Edit - doh, you’re a quicker typist than me, GL!
Researching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Originally posted by Nora View Post
I don't know why I can't find the others though.
Christine
Researching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Originally posted by Karamazov View Post
You won’t find the other births as they predate the beginnings of civil registration of BMDs in Ireland, which only started in 1864 (unless you have Protestant ancestors, in which case marriages were registered from 1845.)
Christine
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I find FMP much more straightforward for searching the Catholic records, but couldn’t find a Heffernan-Bagg marriage. Double checked on the NLI site (the source for the Ancestry and FMP records) and the only records which have been digitised for Modelligo are baptisms 1846-1880, no marriages unfortunately.
This website contains images from the NLI’s collection of Catholic parish register microfilms. The registers contain records of baptisms and marriages from the majority of Catholic parishes in Ireland and Northern Ireland up to 1880.
Christine
Researching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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I think this is Ann’s death in 1891.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....%26district%3D
and that this is Michael’s death in 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....%26district%3D
Informant for both is John Heffernan who is Michael’s son, but Ann’s stepson - so it looks like Michael has more children by an earlier wife...
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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