Can you help untangle this?

[cbcarolyn]

I see there is a George Day death in Uckfield and also an Alice in 1937 could this be them

[cbcarolyn]

Also the 2 daughters are on 1939 reg together in East Grinstead

[GallowayLass]

Getting somewhere at last. I think this is the probate entry for the William Day that Alice was living with in 1939. Address matches. Worth paying the £1.50 for the will. Looks like 3 men in the family as executors along with a solicitor. He was worth a lot for 1963. Just over £2.8 million today.

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[GallowayLass]

There are too many possibilities for an Edward Day but these two are the right men for the executors. Both are deceased .

Alfred E A Day

Apr 1920 [May 1920] [Jun 1920]

Apr-May-Jun

Hollingbourn

Kent

Tassell

2a

2008

DAY, FRANK MERCER	BOORMAN
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 873

[cbcarolyn]

Getting somewhere at last. I think this is the probate entry for the William Day that Alice was living with in 1939. Address matches. Worth paying the £1.50 for the will. Looks like 3 men in the family as executors along with a solicitor. He was worth a lot for 1963. Just over £2.8 million today.

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I think it isn't the right Day family. Vera has found out it is Alice and her son.

I am thinking Alice had already died before 1939, her 2 daughters are living together which may indicate that parents have died?
31 Durkins Rd East Grinstead https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...18?pId=3613033

I can't see any reg of electors for that area.

[GallowayLass]

Alfred’s own probate

DAY

ALFRED EDWARD ALAN

26 January 2009

2938346

24 October 2008

Grant and will

Brighton

[GallowayLass]

I think it isn't the right Day family. Vera has found out is is Alice and he son.

I am thinking Alice had already died before 1939, her 2 daughters are living together which may indicate that parents have died?
31 Durkins Rd East Grinstead https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...18?pId=3613033

I can't see any reg of electors for that area.

Drat and double drat! Had better give up for the night as I’m on the wrong track.

[webwiz]

This is a little embarrassing, sorry for leading you up the garden path. I am fairly sure that this is Alice nee Colthup in 1939. I did not expect to find her in Hackney but the date of birth is right:
Alice M Day
In 1939 Register of England & Wales
Gender Female
Birth Nov 23 1863
Residence Sep 29 1939
71, Trehurst Street, Hackney, London, England
Age 75
Marital status Widowed
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Census
District Hackney TNA Reference RG101/0209I/007/9
County London Piece 0209I
Country England Item # 007
Date Sep 29 1939 Line 9
Schedule 94

Possible death:
Deaths Jun 1953
DAY Alice M 89 Maidstone 5b 523

[cbcarolyn]

It does seem quite a common name - so maybe not her either.
Where and when did George die?
Do you have any addresses for them after 1911?

I did have a look in the papers didn't find much - the 2 sisters in East Grinstead went to several funerals in early 40s, and got a mention as they left flowers!

[cbcarolyn]

I think this is your Alice, as too many names are the same:
Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser 10 December 1937

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Although not sure why other daughter is not mentioned

DAY, ALICE MARIA 74
GRO Reference: 1937 D Quarter in UCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 189

[cbcarolyn]

date of death here 1937:

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[cbcarolyn]

Maybe George?
DAY, GEORGE 68
GRO Reference: 1935 S Quarter in UCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 165

[cbcarolyn]

newspaper report same address
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[GallowayLass]

I think it isn't the right Day family. Vera has found out it is Alice and her son.

I am thinking Alice had already died before 1939, her 2 daughters are living together which may indicate that parents have died?
31 Durkins Rd East Grinstead https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...18?pId=3613033

I can't see any reg of electors for that area.

Just had a look at the 1939 for the two daughters. Spotted that Winifred is listed as later marrying a Colthup ! (Charles F Colthup 1945 4Q Uckfield)

[cbcarolyn]

I saw that she married a Colthup, is it a cousin?

Maybe I have not found the right ones at all, it seems odd that augusta not mentioned in papers, she, I think is in Kent. Maybe Webwiz has a few more details.

names all seem to match including Alice middle name of Maria

[GallowayLass]

This is likely him. He’s the only pre 1915 Charles with a middle initial F.

COLTHUP, CHARLES FRANCIS	WHALEY
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in BRIDGE Volume 02A Page 791

[GallowayLass]

I have found George and Alice’s marriage certificate on FMP. My sub ran out a couple of days ago. Just back up and running this morning. The first witness confirms the Fitzjohn family connection.

23 December 1893 in the parish church of Harpenden, Hertfordshire
George Day age 26 bachelor, gardener, residing Harpenden. Father Frederick Day, labourer
Alice Maria Colthup age 30, spinster, domestic servant, residing Harpenden. Father Henry Colthup, builder
Witnesses James Fitzjohn and Emma Day.

There is also a certificate of banns. Read on 3rd, 10th and 17th December. They were both “of this parish”.

[GallowayLass]

Charles Francis Colthup was baptised 25 November 1894 at St John the Baptist, Barham, Kent. Son of Charles William Colthup, carpenter, residing Barham and his wife Elizabeth Frances.

Parents married 4Q 1890 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.

[GallowayLass]

Here’s a name we’ve had before. This is from the results of public trees on ancestry. The year of marriage is out by one

Charles William COLTHUP

Born 1866 Tilmanstone Kent England

Marriage 1891

1911 Derringstone Kent England

Died 03/1944 Barham Kent England

Father Henry [Colthup] COLTRUP(1840-1923)
Mother Emily Philadelphia WALRAVEN(1840-1925)
Spouse Elizabeth Frances WHALEY(1866-1944

[GallowayLass]

Augusta Alice Mary Day married Thomas George Pratt 1937 3Q Elham, Kent
1939 they were living 17 Hillside Street, Hythe, Kent.

Thomas G	Pratt	02 May 1900	Male	Civilian Waiter Employed by Navy	Married	159	1
Augusta A (Alice) M	Pratt	29 Jun 1897	Female	Unpaid Domestic Duties	Married	159	2