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    Help needed in untangling children

    Thomas Hunt and Eliza Barrow marry in 1855 in Leicester. They have 3 children, Henry Edward b.1856, Mary Ann b 1864, and Ada Ann b. 1871.

    At around the same time William Jacques (also spelled Jacquiss/ Jaques) married Elizabeth Cooper in Ashby-de-la-Zouch in 1854. They also have 3 children, Sarah b1854, Thomas b. 1856 and Mary Jane b.1859. The last 2 children are born in Leicester.

    Looking through the Newspaper archives, Williams was not a happy marriage. His mother-in-law lived with them and in 1864 he was tried, and found guilty of assaulting his wife and mil (Mary Cooper). In 1865 he inserted a notice in the paper saying that he would no longer be responsible for his wife's debts.

    In 1871 William is a boarder with Thomas and Eliza Hunt. By 1881 he and Eliza are living together as man and wife. With them are the following children:

    Thomas Jacques, age 24 (Williams son)
    Henry Jacques age 24 (Eliza's son)
    Mary Ann Jacques age 16 (Eliza's daughter)
    Ada Annie Jacques age 9 (Eliza's daughter)

    There are also

    Kate J Jacques age 7
    Eliza E Jacques age 4.

    I have found Eliza E's birth (Eliza Emmeline) in 1877, mmn Barrow along with another daughter, Bertha born Dec Q 1875 mmn Barrow, but there is a corresponding death for her in Sep Q 1876.

    So my questions are - can anyone find a birth reg for Kate? Going by Ancestry hints she marries a Mr Smith and emigrates to Canada (still have to confirm that)

    William and Eliza finally marry in 1894. Presumably this means that Elizabeth is still alive until this time. I have not been able to find her in any census. In 1871 Thomas and Sarah are alone with their Grandmother Mary. So where is Elizabeth? Also can anyone find Mary Jane Jacques. I thought she may have died young, but then I found an item in the Leicester Newspaper from the 5 Aug 1876 regarding an assault on a Mary Jane Jacques in Belgrave. The interesting thing about this report was that it mentioned her sister Sarah Cooper Jacques. But where are they both in the 1871?

    If any one can shed any light on the whereabouts of this lot it would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks


    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=12420236

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=7572

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=7572


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    Linda


    My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

    #2
    This is like one of those puzzles on how to get to the other side with a small boat.

    I think I have the families understood - you said:

    "William and Eliza finally marry in 1894. Presumably this means that Elizabeth is still alive until this time. I have not been able to find her in any census. In 1871 Thomas and Sarah are alone with their Grandmother Mary. So where is Elizabeth? Also can anyone find Mary Jane Jacques. I thought she may have died young, but then I found an item in the Leicester Newspaper from the 5 Aug 1876 regarding an assault on a Mary Jane Jacques in Belgrave. The interesting thing about this report was that it mentioned her sister Sarah Cooper Jacques. But where are they both in the 1871?"

    who do you mean both? Isn't Sarah with Thomas as marked in red?
    Carolyn
    Family Tree site

    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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      #3
      Oops- sorry my brain must have got overwhelmed! Re-reading it, I think I mean where is Mary Jane in 1871 and where are Mary Jane and Sarah in 1881. Plus just for fun I think I have found another son for William and Elizabeth Cooper, John b Leicester in Dec q 1864. He seems to have vanished as well. I think I might be in need of some wine
      Linda


      My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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        #4
        Thomas Hunt is one of my relatives!

        Excuse the capitals, in notes from my disc

        Entry No.422, OCT 14, 1855, after Banns
        THOMAS HUNT, 30, bach. FWK, of WOODBOY St, s. of EDWARD HUNT, FWK
        ELIZA BARROW, 23, sp. of NEW LANE, d. of WILLIAM BARROW, BRICK MAKER
        Wits: LIBBEUS DIXON, ELIZTH. BARROW

        Burials
        Welford Road

        O 82 C
        BENT ---1859 JAN 27 STBN CHARLES STREET SAINT GEORGE CHILD OF ELIZABETH
        SIMPSON MARY ANN 1859 JAN 27 16 MTHS PROVIDENCE PLACE SAINT MARGARET
        HUNT HANNAH 1861 MAR 24 16MTHS OSBORNE STREET SAINT MARGARET
        HUNT THOMAS 1872 MAY 26 41 LEONARD STREET SAINT LEONARD 28130
        JACQUES BERTHA 1876 AUG 23 10MTHS BUCKINGHAM STREET SAINT MARY
        HAWKINS ADA 1902 APR 26 8MTHS SYSTON STREET LEICESTER
        ENGLAND MARTHA 1925 AUG 1 72 N. E. INFY. / 26 DISEWORTH STREET LEICESTER [NORTH EVINGTON]


        R1 1252 C
        JACQUES ELIZA 1869 JAN 17 54 REDCROSS STREET SAINT MARY
        HUNT LILLY 1885 JAN 23 2 CHESTER STREET SAINT MARGARET
        HUNT BEATRICE LOUISA 1885 AUG 11 5MTHS CHESTER STREET SAINT MARGARET
        JACQUES JOHN 1885 NOV 12 45 ALFRED STREET SAINT MARGARET
        WOODFORD CAROLINE H 1925 OCT 15 68 1 PELHAM STREET LEICESTER

        1891 Census RG12/ 2533 Folio: 135 Pg 3
        Living at 40 Belgrave Road, Leicester
        William Jacques Head M Age 59 Occupation China Dealer Born Coleorton
        Eliza Jacques WIfe Age 59 Occupation Housework Born Leicester
        Ada Jacques Dau S Age 19 Occupation Shoe Machinist Born Leicester
        Kate Jacques Dau S Age 17 Occupation Shoe Machinist Born Leicester Born Leicester
        Eliza E Jacques Dau Age 14 Occupation Shoe Machinist Born Leicester Born Leicester

        Marriages Jun 1894
        Hunt Eliza Leicester 7a/416
        Jacques William Leicester 7a/416

        1901 Census RG13/ 2987 Folio: 93 Pg 27
        Living at 40 Belgrave Road, Leicester
        William Jacques Head M Age 69 Occupation Wool Dyer Born Leicestershire, Leicester
        Eliza Jacques Wife Age Age 69 Born Leicestershire, Leicester
        Eliza E. Jacques Daughter S Age 24 Occupation Boot Machinist and China Dealer Born Leicestershire, Leicester

        1911 Census RG14PN19209 RG78PN1150B RD407 SD1 ED45 SN63
        Address: 110 Moira St Leicester
        JACQUES, William Head Married M 78 1833 Retired Journeyman Dyer Old Age Pensioner Leicestershire Coleston Near Ashby de la Zouch
        JACQUES, Eliza Wife Married F 79 1832 Old Age Pensioner Leicestershire Leicester
        JACQUES, Eliza Emmaline Daughter Single F 34 1877 Bible Woman
        Leicestershire Leicester
        EXTRA INFO
        Married 17 Yrs
        Total Children born alive -
        Children still living -
        Children who have died -
        Rooms 6

        This is the one I have

        Births Dec 1873 no MMN
        HUNT Kate Jacques Leicester 7a/261
        Elaine

        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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          #5
          hee hee - first search I did - no idea why was for Sarah and found her straightaway....thought this is too easy!
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #6
            If you are looking for Barrow's, not searched the generations but have a note of the burials in one grave
            Elaine

            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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              #7
              wow that is an amazing coincidence....
              Carolyn
              Family Tree site

              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                #8
                Kate Jacques who married Mr. Smith, her father was Joseph Jacques labourer.



                Elaine

                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  #9
                  Nearly fell off my chair when I saw the thread
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                    Nearly fell off my chair when I saw the thread
                    amazing
                    Carolyn
                    Family Tree site

                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                      #11
                      These are the earlier census for Eliza Barrow

                      1841 Census HO107/ 604 Folio: 36 Pg 24
                      Living in Conduit Street, St Margaret's, Leicester
                      William Barrow 35 Brickmaker
                      Hannah Barrow 35
                      Maria Barrow 15
                      Eliza Barrow 8
                      Henry Barrow 6
                      Elizabeth Barrow 4
                      William Barrow 2
                      John Barrow 7 Mo
                      All born within the county

                      1851 Census
                      Visiting the Greasley family at 25 Cumberland Street, All Saints, Leicester
                      Eliza Barrow Visitor U Age 19 Occupation Cotton Winder Born Leicester, St Margaret's
                      Elaine

                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                        #12
                        there is a Sarah Jacques marriage in 1881

                        There is a marriage record on FMP for Kate that looks correct to William Smith.

                        ​​​​​​First name(s) Kate
                        Last name Jacquis
                        Age 24
                        Birth year 1874
                        Residence 40 Belgrave RD
                        Father's first name(s) William
                        Father's last name Jacquis
                        Marriage year 1898
                        Marriage date 06 Jun 1898
                        Spouse's first name(s) William
                        Spouse's last name Smith
                        Spouse's age 21
                        Spouse's residence 40 Belgrave Rd
                        Spouse's father's first name(s) William
                        Spouse's father's last name Smith
                        Denomination Anglican
                        Place Leicester, St Mark's
                        County Leicestershire
                        Country England
                        Event type Parish Registers
                        Archive
                        Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
                        Archive reference DE1752/12
                        Record set Leicestershire Marriages
                        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
                        Subcategory Parish Marriages
                        Collections from England, Great Britain

                        brother Henry Edward and Eliza Emmeline witnesses
                        Last edited by cbcarolyn; 22-09-20, 19:56.
                        Carolyn
                        Family Tree site

                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                          #13
                          You will love this one, Ada Annie marries as Jacques, father William Jacques, witnesses Henry Edward Hunt and Eliza Emmeline Jacques. Ada marries David Brown 27 Dec 1898, St Mark Leicester. Eliza Emmeline doesn't marry and is buried with William and Eliza at Belgrave Cemetery. Just let me know if you need the dates and anything else.
                          Elaine

                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            #14
                            I found a different one Carolyn but yours is right for Kate as this is the address on Ada's marriage. Would you believe there are 2 marriages and they were both William Smith!
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              #15
                              Henry and Eliza are witnesses as Kate's marriage too.
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                #16
                                looks like all mysteries solved, how lucky was that I was surprised how many Jacques there were, thought it would have been more unique.
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

                                Comment


                                  #17
                                  Oh wow, had to go away for dinner and come back to this! Haven't yet read all the info you have found will go through it in a minute. How are you related to Thomas Hunt, Elaine? His wife, Eliza Barrow was the daughter of William Barrow and Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown was the daughter of Thomas Brown and Ann Law. Thomas and Ann were my 3x Great Grandparents!
                                  Linda


                                  My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                                    These are the earlier census for Eliza Barrow


                                    1851 Census
                                    Visiting the Greasley family at 25 Cumberland Street, All Saints, Leicester
                                    Eliza Barrow Visitor U Age 19 Occupation Cotton Winder Born Leicester, St Margaret's
                                    That is interesting as Hannahs brother William Brown (my 2x GGrandfather) wife was descended from Greasleys. Wonder if there is aconnection there?

                                    Linda


                                    My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                                      #19
                                      Thank you both for all that information, I would never have looked for Kate as a Hunt! So much to add into my records now. I only found this line yesterday, have been looking for Hannah's marriage for years but never had any luck . Yesterday had a new DNA match which put me onto this lot. As William and Hannah had 11 children I have a lot of research to do.
                                      Linda


                                      My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                                        #20
                                        Got lots of discs for burials and refs I keep as well as the online bits if you need any info., forgot to mention, Ada's son has the middle name Vincent, features a bit with the Hunt's and was my brother's name.
                                        Elaine

                                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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