The elusive Sam Harvey Holt

[cbcarolyn]

I see that Elizabeth died in 1911 - do you have her death certificate, and was she a widow? Im intrigued by what happened to him!

and where was she living? Still Warrington or St Helens?

[Lscan]

and where was she living? Still Warrington or St Helens?

Sams wife was Elizabeth Kitham / Phillips born 1844 in Sibertswold Kent. She died 18/02/1911 living in St Helens Lancashire.

[cbcarolyn]

Sams wife was Elizabeth Kitham / Phillips born 1844 in Sibertswold Kent. She died 18/02/1911 living in St Helens Lancashire.

and a widow?

[Lscan]

and a widow?

No, the last we know is the 1901 Census where she was living with Sam and her son. We’re not sure from there only that Elizabeth is buried in the same grave as family members but no sign of Sam...

[Janet in Yorkshire]

I have Richard Harvey Holts death, 1871-1910 died if urinery problems. He was only 5ft in, just thought I’d add that. The official document names Sam and Eliza.

Well that cannot be the same chap as the soldier who served in WW1 and for next of kin gave name of his aunt Mrs Emma J Shaw of Brighton.
I came across a Harvey Richard Holt in Canada on familysearch.

Just to recap, was there something up thread about another of the brothers going to USA/Canada??
Lscan, did your info re the 1910 death come from a death certificate, and if so, can this be found online?
I'm beginning to think this line of Holts must be like one of my E Yorks families, where several brothers each had a large family and used the same forenames for their children. Their sons repeated the practice, so you get three Johns all born in the same village and all within a three or four year time span. Tracking them all down and keeping tabs on them has been a nightmare, especially as occupation for each was ag lab!

Jay

[teasie]

Janet - Lscan corrected the 1910 death date at post #72 and confirmed it as 1947

[teasie]

No, the last we know is the 1901 Census where she was living with Sam and her son. We’re not sure from there only that Elizabeth is buried in the same grave as family members but no sign of Sam...

Have you identified her death registration? Details such as where she was living, whether she was a widow, and who registered the death may help in the search for what happened to Samuel.

EDITED TO ADD
Lancashire BMD has her death in the sub-district of St Helens: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/matc...2F69&prefix=SH

At that time St Helens came under Prescot, so this looks like it on the GRO index:
HOLT, ELIZABETH aged 65 GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 500

[cbcarolyn]

Here is the death cert I did download it yesterday

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[Janet in Yorkshire]

Thank you Carolyn.

Jay

[Lscan]

Here is the death cert I did download it yesterday

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Any chance you could give a few details off the death certificate, it won’t let me download it.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Lscan, click on it, then click on save image as and save in pictures on your PC

Jay

[cbcarolyn]

I think you need to be a member for 10 days, I have put it here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DmEFxZKoP8kNDZQKA