Sorry, it's rather long and a bit convoluted.
Philip Colman was born at Trunch, Norfolk, where he was bp in 1773.
In September 1802 he married widow Ann Thorseby in Worstead Norfolk - Ann (nee Lever no bp found) had previous married Edward Thoresby in 1799 at Worstead Norfolk, where Edward was buried in April 1802. Philip served in the navy and there are records of his allotment payments payable to his wife Ann Colman 1802 until 1809.
Daughter Rebecca was born at Worstead in 1803 and another daughter Mary Ann was baptised at Trunch (where Philip's parents lived) in 1808.
Ann seems to have been a bit of a "wrong un."In 1809 Philip's younger brother Stephen (my ancestor) lodged with Ann. Both were prosecuted for receiving stolen property, which was discovered in the ceiling loft above Steven's bedroom. Both were sentenced to transportation, but local land owners petitioned on behalf of Stephen, claiming he had been led astray by Ann (some years his senior) and his sentence was commuted to 6 years on a hulk on the Thames.
In Feb1809 Ann was sent to Australia for seven years - was pardoned in 1817 and sailed from Australia on the brig Kangaroo 5 July 1817. This is the last definitive record I have for her.
I have found allotment records for Philip Colman 1809- 1812, the money (presumably for the upkeep of the girls) being allocated to his father as his wife had been transported. In 1812 during a war with America, Philip was serving on HMS Java, which was in conflict with USS Constitution and he was taken prisoner but released into the charge of the British consulate at Bahia (in Brazil) in January1813. This is the last reference I have for Philip.
Both of the couple's daughters married in Norwich in the 1820's, had families and I've got the relevant records for their lives post marriage, although I don't know WHY they were in Norwich in the 1820's - Philip's parents and siblings remained in their native village I think.
My ancestor Stephen Colman was eventually pardoned in 1815 and returned to his native village Trunch, where he married widow Elizabeth Pratt of the next village in her home parish in September 1816.Their first child, Susanna,was born on December 17th and baptised in the village church on 31st December. The vicar recorded her as the child of Stephen and ANN. All subsequent children were recorded as children of Stephen and Elizabeth. This confused me for years and we thought that perhaps her mother had been named Elizabeth Ann.Then eventually finding out about the link between Stephen and his sister in law Ann made me wonder if Susanna was in fact the illegitimate child of Stephen and his sister-in-law. However, the date of Ann's pardon (1817) makes this impossible and it could perhaps have been that the vicar had a long memory and when writing up the baptism recalled the past carryings on Stephen and Mrs Philip Colman and attributed the wrong name to his wife.
So can anyone with time on their hands throw any light on what became of seaman Philip Colman post January 1813 and his convict wife Ann Colman, formerly Thoresby and nee Lever post 1817?
Thanks for reading.
Jay
Philip Colman was born at Trunch, Norfolk, where he was bp in 1773.
In September 1802 he married widow Ann Thorseby in Worstead Norfolk - Ann (nee Lever no bp found) had previous married Edward Thoresby in 1799 at Worstead Norfolk, where Edward was buried in April 1802. Philip served in the navy and there are records of his allotment payments payable to his wife Ann Colman 1802 until 1809.
Daughter Rebecca was born at Worstead in 1803 and another daughter Mary Ann was baptised at Trunch (where Philip's parents lived) in 1808.
Ann seems to have been a bit of a "wrong un."In 1809 Philip's younger brother Stephen (my ancestor) lodged with Ann. Both were prosecuted for receiving stolen property, which was discovered in the ceiling loft above Steven's bedroom. Both were sentenced to transportation, but local land owners petitioned on behalf of Stephen, claiming he had been led astray by Ann (some years his senior) and his sentence was commuted to 6 years on a hulk on the Thames.
In Feb1809 Ann was sent to Australia for seven years - was pardoned in 1817 and sailed from Australia on the brig Kangaroo 5 July 1817. This is the last definitive record I have for her.
I have found allotment records for Philip Colman 1809- 1812, the money (presumably for the upkeep of the girls) being allocated to his father as his wife had been transported. In 1812 during a war with America, Philip was serving on HMS Java, which was in conflict with USS Constitution and he was taken prisoner but released into the charge of the British consulate at Bahia (in Brazil) in January1813. This is the last reference I have for Philip.
Both of the couple's daughters married in Norwich in the 1820's, had families and I've got the relevant records for their lives post marriage, although I don't know WHY they were in Norwich in the 1820's - Philip's parents and siblings remained in their native village I think.
My ancestor Stephen Colman was eventually pardoned in 1815 and returned to his native village Trunch, where he married widow Elizabeth Pratt of the next village in her home parish in September 1816.Their first child, Susanna,was born on December 17th and baptised in the village church on 31st December. The vicar recorded her as the child of Stephen and ANN. All subsequent children were recorded as children of Stephen and Elizabeth. This confused me for years and we thought that perhaps her mother had been named Elizabeth Ann.Then eventually finding out about the link between Stephen and his sister in law Ann made me wonder if Susanna was in fact the illegitimate child of Stephen and his sister-in-law. However, the date of Ann's pardon (1817) makes this impossible and it could perhaps have been that the vicar had a long memory and when writing up the baptism recalled the past carryings on Stephen and Mrs Philip Colman and attributed the wrong name to his wife.
So can anyone with time on their hands throw any light on what became of seaman Philip Colman post January 1813 and his convict wife Ann Colman, formerly Thoresby and nee Lever post 1817?
Thanks for reading.
Jay
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