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Possibly. There is a Mary Elizabeth Bright in the 1891 with father Thomas b Pondy, Mon with wife Louisa b Herefordshire with Mary Elizabeth said to be b Hereford but I think she maybe is the Mary Elizabeth Jane on the GRO b 1887 Bedwelty mmn Bolter
A Louisa Bolter m Thomas Bright 1887
I can see an education record on FMP for Mary Elizabeth Bright same dob as 1939 at school in Nantyglo, Mon father Thomas
A Louisa Bright dies 1892. Can possibly see Louisa with family. Not getting anything definite for Thomas and Mary E after that. Will put up links.
Vera
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Oh my goodness thanks everyone I think I will get the BC just for curiosity but these must be the right people and I guess it would fit being a collier instead of being conscripted if you were a master grocer. I have just purchased some FMP credits so guess what I will be doing after work later
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I can't see the baptisms, nor Burial for Melvyn
The burialsame addressBarbara Megan Chesterman 3M 1921 1921 03 Jan 1921
39 Lower Monk Street
Joyce Margaret Chisterman 15M 1921 1922 05 Jan 1922 Abergavenny, St Mary
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthis baptism is on FMPaddress 70 Newport road, and he is a collier, so very odd, can't believe that these are different people..Audrey Doreen Chaterman 1916 ? ? 1916 1916 01 Nov 1916 Abercarn Monmouthshire Wales Rufus Henry Mary Elizabeth 61 Monmouthshire Baptisms Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Parish Baptisms Wales, Great Britain
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...F914023026%2F1
The only thing I can think of - perhaps he opted to go down the pits as an alternative to being conscripted? (I have just come back to the thread after seeing if I could find him serving in WW1 but didn't find anything. I also found a few trees with him on ancestry but none of them have any details of wife/children. On the trees he rejoices in the full name of Rufus Henry Victor Chesterman. They have him dying in Abergavenny in 1952)
I daresay you are already on the case - are there any records of baps and burials on FMP for the other Chesterman-Bright children. My FMP sub expired a few days ago...
Christine
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Baptisms for Melvyn on FMP too from info in Christines post:
Melvyn Gordon Grocers asst 2a Ivor Street Abercan
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this baptism is on FMPAudrey Doreen Chaterman 1916 ? ? 1916 1916 01 Nov 1916 Abercarn Monmouthshire Wales Rufus Henry Mary Elizabeth 61 Monmouthshire Baptisms Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Parish Baptisms Wales, Great Britain
address 70 Newport road, and he is a collier, so very odd, can't believe that these are different people..
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...F914023026%2F1
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the dates seems to tie up, but where has Jones come from - maybe the registrar just added Jones as it often was
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Originally posted by tessie31082 View Post
Audrey is married on the 1939 to William Lewis - just re-looked and they are living with Henry and Mary E Chesterman - must be her parents but still doesn't help that the MMN is Jones on Audrey's birth record even though the marriage Elaine has found would fit (almost for names) and the fact that Henry is a master grocer!
Births Sep 1915
Chesterman Melvyn G Bright Newport M 11a 623
Births Dec 1920
Chesterman Barbara M Bright Abergavenny 11a 84
Chesterman Joyce M. Bright Abergavenny 11a 84
Deaths Jun 1917
Chesterman Melvyn G 1 Newport M 11a 291
Deaths Mar 1921
Chesterman Barbara M 0 Abergavenny 11a 51
Deaths Mar 1922
Chesterman Joyce M. 1 Abergavenny 11a 69It looks to me as if Elaine hit on the right marriage in post 5 and the mmn Jones on Audrey's birth reg is some weird and as yet inexplicable aberration. I don't suppose you'll know for sure unless you get Audrey's birth cert.
Christine
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Posthave you got Audrey in 1939 register - wondered where she is, could be near parents. Was she the only one?
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There is also an Orlando Henry (and Oswald Victor) in Usk, can't see a marriage for Orlando
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1881
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=6270967
Thomas marries Sarah Ann Leach Q2 1875 Stroud
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Originally posted by Elaine View PostDo you think Henry is Rufus Henry Chesterman?
Rufus Henry Chesterman (grocer's assistant) marries Mary Elizabeth Bright spinster in Abergavenny 1914. Marriage is on FMP, could Audrey be related to the family?
1901 as Rufus in Rhondda born Bwlch father Thomas....occs matches marriage for father and son
1911 as Henry assissting grocer born Bwlch
1939 Henry grocer master
Witnesses to the marriage are William Henry Powell Beatrice Jessie Chesterman
Beatrice marries Thomas Alfred Williams 1916
Name Age
Thomas Chesterman 50
Sarah Ann Chesterman 44
Rose Emily Chesterman 14
Frances Alice Chesterman 8
Lilian Louisa Mary Chesterman 6
Rufus Henry Victor Chesterman 3
Beatrice Jessie Chesterman 1Last edited by cbcarolyn; 29-06-20, 21:00.
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I was looking at this hoping that Mary was born Jones, but obviously not if she is a spinster.
Chesterman looked like a easy name in Wales, but there are a few around!
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Do you think Henry is Rufus Henry Chesterman?
Rufus Henry Chesterman (grocer's assistant) marries Mary Elizabeth Bright spinster in Abergavenny 1914. Marriage is on FMP, could Audrey be related to the family?
1901 as Rufus in Rhondda born Bwlch father Thomas....occs matches marriage for father and son
1911 as Henry assissting grocer born Bwlch
1939 Henry grocer master
Witnesses to the marriage are William Henry Powell Beatrice Jessie Chesterman
Beatrice marries Thomas Alfred Williams 1916
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have you got Audrey in 1939 register - wondered where she is, could be near parents. Was she the only one?
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There doesn't appear to be a tree on Ancestry to crib from. Have you looked at marriage reports in a local newspaper? If not it would be Audrey's marriage cert for the father or Birth cert for both parents.
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MMN is definitely Jones on the FreeBMD image.Last edited by Katarzyna; 29-06-20, 19:18.
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