Advice on where to go next please :)

[tessie31082]

Thanks Vera, I'm so confused lol! I'm now wondering if Emeline and John aren't mine as I think there's another family who they belong to (on the 1861)!?

[GallowayLass]

At the date in question, Almeley was a sub district of Weobley registration district of Herefordshire. Until 1877, Presteigne was both a registration district and sub district of Radnorshire.

[vera2013]

Thanks Vera, I'm so confused lol! I'm now wondering if Emeline and John aren't mine as I think there's another family who they belong to (on the 1861)!?

Yes that Price mm n got me too as children of John and Elizabeth have names which match some of the children of Thomas and Mary.

Just for the record

1861 census

Boulter John 47 Sawyer b Kington
Elizabeth 44 Wife "
Thomas 16 App Sawyer mm n Price b Kington
Jane 11 mm n Price b Kington
Emmeline 8 mmn Price b Kington
John 5 mmn Price b Kington
Elizabeth 2 mm n Price b Kington

living Old Kington, Herefordshire

And Ancestry have also thrown in a 4 Servants for Elizabeth not that she wouldn't have deserved the help

Vera

[tessie31082]

So what do you think has happened to Louisa? I was originally going to assume Emeline was Louisa (I know people change their names) then remembered she is sometimes Louisa M and then followed Emeline who dies young!

[cbcarolyn]

I am already in a muddle are these the ones in question?

there is this Thomas on GRO
BOULTER, THOMAS JONES
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 506

BOULTER, CHARLES JONES
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 481



BOULTER, ELIZABETH PRICE
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 236

BOULTER, JANE PRICE
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 252

BOULTER, EMILINE PRICE
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 11B Page 145

BOULTER, ELIZABETH PRICE
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 153

BOULTER, JOHN PRICE
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 11B Page 153

[tessie31082]

I am already in a muddle are these the ones in question?

there is this Thomas on GRO
BOULTER, THOMAS JONES
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 506

BOULTER, CHARLES JONES
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 481



BOULTER, ELIZABETH PRICE
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 236

BOULTER, JANE PRICE
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 252

BOULTER, EMILINE PRICE
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 11B Page 145

BOULTER, ELIZABETH PRICE
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 153

BOULTER, JOHN PRICE
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 11B Page 153

Yes Carolyn!

[vera2013]

Just a thought. Mary Elizabeth gave Thomas as her father on marriage cert altho said he was a Carpenter. Wonder where she was in 1901/1911. We know not with father Thomas in 1911 as Carolyn has posted his new family.

Vera

[cbcarolyn]

Yes that Price mm n got me too as children of John and Elizabeth have names which match some of the children of Thomas and Mary.

Just for the record

1861 census

Boulter John 47 Sawyer b Kington
Elizabeth 44 Wife "
Thomas 16 App Sawyer mm n Price b Kington
Jane 11 mm n Price b Kington
Emmeline 8 mmn Price b Kington
John 5 mmn Price b Kington
Elizabeth 2 mm n Price b Kington

living Old Kington, Herefordshire

And Ancestry have also thrown in a 4 Servants for Elizabeth not that she wouldn't have deserved the help

Vera

sorry I misread this, Price is not the correct family it is the Jones that we need?

you have them all apart from Louisa?

[vera2013]

I am wondering if Louisa is a Jones. It's possible also Diana is Harriet Diana Jones mmn Jones. The boys Thomas and Charles pop up nice!y on GRO as Bo*lter mm n Jones.

Think Mary Jones married a Jones as I can see birth reg for the older children in 1861 mmn Jones and an 1851 with Elizabeth, Edwin and Jane Jones with widowed mother Mary.

Will look for marriage between Mary Jones and Thos Bo*lter.

Still not seeing Mary Elizabeth altho a possible in 1911 initials only.

Vera

[tessie31082]

Just a thought. Mary Elizabeth gave Thomas as her father on marriage cert altho said he was a Carpenter. Wonder where she was in 1901/1911. We know not with father Thomas in 1911 as Carolyn has posted his new family.

Vera

Vera,
I don't have her on these census either!
Diana/Dinah as Harriet is a good shout as also couldn't find her birth on GRO!

Tessie

[tessie31082]

sorry I misread this, Price is not the correct family it is the Jones that we need?

you have them all apart from Louisa?

Yes Carolyn!

[tessie31082]

I am wondering if Louisa is a Jones. It's possible also Diana is Harriet Diana Jones mmn Jones. The boys Thomas and Charles pop up nice!y on GRO as Bo*lter mm n Jones.

Think Mary Jones married a Jones as I can see birth reg for the older children in 1861 mmn Jones and an 1851 with Elizabeth, Edwin and Jane Jones with widowed mother Mary.

Will look for marriage between Mary Jones and Thos Bo*lter.

Still not seeing Mary Elizabeth altho a possible in 1911 initials only.

Vera

OK, off for a look too

[tessie31082]

Do you think Louisa is her 'middle' name like we think Diana is Harriet as she is Louisa M on some records so the 'M' could be her real name swapped around?

[tessie31082]

On FreeBMD I can see a Thomas Boulter marriage to a Mary Jones in Weobley in 1858 and on in 1859.

[vera2013]

Do you think Louisa is her 'middle' name like we think Diana is Harriet as she is Louisa M on some records so the 'M' could be her real name swapped around?

Good possibility.

FMP have baptisms for Ameley/Weobley

Can see E!izabeth, Edwin, Jane father William Jones m Mary

Also Diana Jones mother Mary but no father given

But again no Louisa

Vera

[vera2013]

On FreeBMD I can see a Thomas Boulter marriage to a Mary Jones in Weobley in 1858 and on in 1859.

So Louisa more likely to be a Bo*lter

vera

[tessie31082]

Hmmm, can't see any children with Bo*lter/Jones combination 1856-1860 except a Julia in Newent (miles away from all the others)? Somehow Louisa is just missing or there's something really odd going on!!?? Grrr! Thanks for the help Vera

[cbcarolyn]

there is a Louisa Jones mmn Jones 1857 Weobly
First name(s) LOUISA
Last name JONES
Birth year 1857
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Jones
District Weobley
County Herefordshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 419

...if I am following this thread correctly

1861 says birth 1858

[tessie31082]

there is a Louisa Jones mmn Jones 1857 Weobly
First name(s) LOUISA
Last name JONES
Birth year 1857
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Jones
District Weobley
County Herefordshire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 419

...if I am following this thread correctly

1861 says birth 1858

Wow, thanks Carolyn! So the eldest children (so not the youngest two boys) are from a previous marriage of Mary's and the marriages in 1858/1859 is one of theirs and they've just taken on the name Boulter from the 1861 census!?

[vera2013]

I would say the eldest Elizabeth, Edwin, Jane are from Mary Jones marriage to Wlliam Jones

Diana unknown father on baptism but could possibly be Thomas Boulter

Louise Jones b 1858 was born about the time of marriage of Thomas Boulter to Mary Jones *1858/59 so Carolyn's b for Louise Jones could be the one later recorded as Louisa Boulter in 1891.

There were two marriages for Thomas Boulter and a Mary Jones. I wonder who the other couple are. Hope they didn't have a daughter Louisa

Vera