Advice on where to go next please :)

[tessie31082]

Thanks Vera, I'm so confused lol! I'm now wondering if Emeline and John aren't mine as I think there's another family who they belong to (on the 1861)!?

[vera2013]

Just opened the image of 1891 for Thomas and Mary. What a mess.

I did look for Louisa do b on GRO. No luck but she has been recorded as a Louisa M sometimes.

I think there are two possible families one is for mm n Price ? Elizabeth and the one I favoured was for Jones is Mary. Both Hereford but reg Presteigne for Price. Other reg District is Woebley? for Mary

Doing this from memory. Will check out my history. I agree Thomas married before.

Vera

[cbcarolyn]

I didn't look for louisa - I stopped looking

Veras link on 1861 takes you to these:

Thomas	Boulter	Head	Married	Male	43	1818	Agricultural Labourer	-
Mary	Boulter	Wife	Married	Female	40	1821	-	Almeley, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth	Boulter	Daughter	Unmarried	Female	18	1843	Labourers Daughter	Almeley, Herefordshire, England
Jane	Boulter	Daughter	Unmarried	Female	13	1848	-	Almeley, Herefordshire, England
Diana	Boulter	Daughter	-	Female	7	1854	-	Almeley, Herefordshire, England
Louisa M	Boulter	Daughter	-	Female	3	1858	-	Almeley, Herefordshire, England
Thomas	Boulter	Son	-	Male	1	1860	Labourers Son	Kinnersley, Herefordshire, England

[tessie31082]

Just remebered Family Search and found some marriages but the lady I thought was her Mum isn't so off to find the 1st marriage of her Dad to get MMN and then hopefully search for her birth

So I thought Mary Hatton was Louisa's Mum but Mary Hatton and Thomas Boulter didn't marry until 1863 (even though they are together on the 1861 census with a few children). So I did another search and found another marriage for Thomas Boulter to Charlotte Herrits but still can't find a birth for Louisa?

And now I think I have the wrong people as the 1851 census has no children on just Thomas and Charlotte ... hmmmm .. think I need to start again!

So I went back to the 1861 census where Louisa is with parents Thomas and Mary. I found her sister's (Jane) birth on the GRO in Presteign and MMN is Price. Using this combination of names and using Presteign I get the following children:
Elizabeth 1847
Jane 1849
Emeline 1852 (not on 1861 census)
Dinah 1854
John 1855 (not on 1861 census)

On the 1861 there is also
Louisa 1858
Thomas 1860
Charles 1862

I've tried using Boulter/Bolter with Price, with and without using Presteign as POB but I can't get anywhere so do you think between John in 1855 and Louisa in 1858 Thomas re-marries? I've found a Thomas Boulter b. 1860, Weobley MMN Jones and Charles b. 1862, Weobley MMN Jones but still NO Louisa??!!

[tessie31082]

Did anyone spot Louisa's birth on their searches? I 'think' her MMN is Hatton but unable to find her birth and her (what I think are her) parent's marriage - I also think her father was married before.
Thanks

[tessie31082]

Thanks as always

[cbcarolyn]

the 1891 was a right mess on the transcription 2 families together https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...30&usePUB=true

[vera2013]

From the top of my head try Beight for 1891 on Ancestry for Thomas and Louisa

Vera

[tessie31082]

I think this is Thomas with new wife?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35/edit/record

Thanks Carolyn

[tessie31082]

Please can anyone find the 1891 census on Ancestry of them as it's not finding them or I can't find them anyway?

[cbcarolyn]

I think this is Thomas with new wife?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35/edit/record

[cbcarolyn]

looks like a full set of records there, and not a Jones in sight!

[vera2013]

Hope the bc solves the mystery

Possible Louisa 's mother Mary was a Jones 1858 marriage but doubt that is who Audrey Doreen was referring to. Lots of Jones in Wales

Vera

[tessie31082]

You have probably got some of these by now but for the record Marriage Thomas Best and Louisa Boulter 1887 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000027%2F163 Birth of Mary Elizabeth J Bright 1887 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000070%2F364 1891 Census Thomas and Louisa Bright https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0029773989 Louisa's death https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000040%2F112 Louisa in 1881, 1871 and 1861 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0018641949 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0019566267 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0009989085 Vera

Thanks Vera and everyone else. I've ordered Audrey's BC to sort out the confusion of MMN

[vera2013]

You have probably got some of these by now but for the record
Marriage Thomas Best and Louisa Boulter 1887 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000027%2F163
Birth of Mary Elizabeth J Bright 1887 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000070%2F364
1891 Census Thomas and Louisa Bright https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0029773989
Louisa's death https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...2F000040%2F112
Louisa in 1881, 1871 and 1861
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0018641949
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0019566267
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0009989085
Vera
Carolyn edit for new line returns

[cbcarolyn]

Is this on Ancestry or FMP?

the parish marriage record is on FMP, i think the schools records are on there too that Vera found

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...F913117385%2F1

[tessie31082]

GRO only have these for 1887

BRIGHT, MARY BENFORD
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 72

BRIGHT, MARY DAVISON
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 77

BRIGHT, MARY ANN GERRISH
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 612

So this is looking like the favourable one and Vera found some records

BRIGHT, MARY ELIZABETH JANE BOLTER
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 73

I could only see the one in Bedwelty that seemed to match with everything else!

[tessie31082]

I started looking for a Jones connection yesterday as thought she must be a Jones and widowed Bright, and found very little, stopped looking when Elaine had the marriage entry and she was a spinster. Bright seems to be more popular in the area than I thought.

so back to the marriage details



Mary Elizabeth Bright her details:
father Thomas Bright - Carpenter
address is Angel Hotel (I think that is what it says), and she is a Waitress
11 November 1914 age 28

he was at 37 Cross street

Her DoB from 1939 reg is 21 Mar 1887

Is this on Ancestry or FMP?

[cbcarolyn]

GRO only have these for 1887

BRIGHT, MARY BENFORD
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 72

BRIGHT, MARY DAVISON
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 77

BRIGHT, MARY ANN GERRISH
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 612

So this is looking like the favourable one and Vera found some records

BRIGHT, MARY ELIZABETH JANE BOLTER
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 73

[cbcarolyn]

I started looking for a Jones connection yesterday as thought she must be a Jones and widowed Bright, and found very little, stopped looking when Elaine had the marriage entry and she was a spinster. Bright seems to be more popular in the area than I thought.

so back to the marriage details

Do you think Henry is Rufus Henry Chesterman?

Rufus Henry Chesterman (grocer's assistant) marries Mary Elizabeth Bright spinster in Abergavenny 1914. Marriage is on FMP, could Audrey be related to the family?

1901 as Rufus in Rhondda born Bwlch father Thomas....occs matches marriage for father and son
1911 as Henry assissting grocer born Bwlch
1939 Henry grocer master

Witnesses to the marriage are William Henry Powell Beatrice Jessie Chesterman

Beatrice marries Thomas Alfred Williams 1916

Mary Elizabeth Bright her details:
father Thomas Bright - Carpenter
address is Angel Hotel (I think that is what it says), and she is a Waitress
11 November 1914 age 28

he was at 37 Cross street

Her DoB from 1939 reg is 21 Mar 1887