Born Spain or Bristol?

[Elaine]

1911 she records

12 children born alive
4 living
8 died

[cbcarolyn]

I missed out the irish children:

1854 - Morris John - Cambridge from census
1857 - Morris Edward Barnet - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England qtr1
1858 - Morris Alice - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England qtr4
1861 - Ipswich census
1861 - Morris Letitia Ipswich (from census)
1863 - Morris Henry - Shoreditch, London, England qtr4
1867 - Morris Robert Patrick - St. Luke, London, England qtr4
1869 - St Lukes Workhouse
1869 - Morris Margaret Bristol or Spain June
1871 - Dublin baptism Margaret
1871 - Morris James William - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England qtr1
1872 - Morris Joseph (from census) Ireland
1872 - Dublin - 3 Baptisms Nov/Dec
1873 - Morris Frederick Henry - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England qtr2
1878 - Morris Thomas - Chorlton, Lancashire, England qtr2
1881 - Morris Norah E - Worcestershire (from Census)
1881 - Birmingham census
1885 - Morris Florence Beatrice - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England qtr4

children in purple...13 (?) gone wrong somewhere then

[fran]

So John Morris was born before they were married?
F

[fran]

Also the 1891 census has Frederick born in Glasgow.
F

[cbcarolyn]

MORRIS, FREDERICK HENRY RODEN
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 520

this is from GRO

[cbcarolyn]

MORRIS, EDWARD BARNET RODEN
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in OXFORD Volume 03A Page 538

MORRIS, ALICE RODEN
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 448

MORRIS, HENRY RODEN
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 182

MORRIS, ROBERT PATRICK RODEN
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 655

MORRIS, JAMES WILLIAM RODEN
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 510

MORRIS, FREDERICK HENRY RODEN
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 520

MORRIS, THOMAS RODEN
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 879

MORRIS, FLORENCE BEATRICE RODEN
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 528

these are from GRO - based on Roden and Morris - not really played about with variations on GRO

didn't find these
1854 - Morris John - Cambridge from census
1861 - Morris Letitia Ipswich (from census)
1869 - Morris Margaret Bristol or Spain June
1872 - Morris Joseph (from census) Ireland
1881 - Morris Norah E - Worcestershire (from Census)

MORRIS, LETITIA ELIZABETH ROWLAND
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 583

...some of these were way back in post 24/25

they must have moved so often they forgot where they had the children

[fran]

Thank you for that ,Carolyn. I should have checked there. I did look on GRO for Sophia MORRIS ,but was not successful .I also looked for John but didn't find that either.

[fran]

Busy people! I posted before seeing that John had not been found. Or Sophia

[Elaine]

As Letitia says she is from Newark so much, checked my Notts stuff as my family lived there just before this time period and there is a baptism at Newark St. Mary Magdelene

Letita Rawden dau of John and Alice Rawden Newark laborer bap 10 Oct 1838

Marriage transcribed as John Rawdin to Alice Hullam Q4 1837 Newark

[cbcarolyn]

so Rawden morphed into Roden

John Rawden was witness wedding in Cheltenham

there is this one
MORRIS, JOHN BORDON
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in HUNTINGDON Volume 03B Page 192

possibles:

MORRIS, NORA LETITIA MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in WINCHCOMB Volume 06A Page 401

or if not:
MORRIS, NORA MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 565
MORRIS, NORA VIOLET -
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 611

[Karamazov]

As Letitia says she is from Newark so much, checked my Notts stuff as my family lived there just before this time period and there is a baptism at Newark St. Mary Magdelene

Letita Rawden dau of John and Alice Rawden Newark laborer bap 10 Oct 1838

Marriage transcribed as John Rawdin to Alice Hullam Q4 1837 Newark

Good finds Elaine. Like you, I was concentrating round Newark and environs earlier to see if I could find anything likely for Letitia in 1841 and 1851 but didn't come up with anything. Her father's occ of engineer on marriage cert is possibly "embellished"?? And although her age fluctuates a bit through 1861-1911 censuses, none of them would have made her full age (of 21) as claimed.
Any sign of any younger siblings in your Newark baps that might help with finding her in 1841 and 1851.?

As John "Morris" was born before her marriage I was looking for births of a John Roden/Rowdin, but it might be worth looking again now that Rawdin and Rawden have been thrown into the mix as other surname variants.

Christine

[Elaine]

Nothing came up with the BMD discs I have so far to find anything about Alice and John or a later marriage backed up by a death; there's a birth but Burton MMN and 1yr old death but couldn't see a birth reg. Tried looking for a L*t* and not getting very far.

Also have seen the name as Rhoden.

[cbcarolyn]

Good finds Elaine. Like you, I was concentrating round Newark and environs earlier to see if I could find anything likely for Letitia in 1841 and 1851 but didn't come up with anything. Her father's occ of engineer on marriage cert is possibly "embellished"?? And although her age fluctuates a bit through 1861-1911 censuses, none of them would have made her full age (of 21) as claimed.
Any sign of any younger siblings in your Newark baps that might help with finding her in 1841 and 1851.?

As John "Morris" was born before her marriage I was looking for births of a John Roden/Rowdin, but it might be worth looking again now that Rawdin and Rawden have been thrown into the mix as other surname variants.

Christine

I thought the john Morris in Huntingdon looked promising?

[cbcarolyn]

Nothing came up with the BMD discs I have so far to find anything about Alice and John or a later marriage backed up by a death; there's a birth but Burton MMN and 1yr old death but couldn't see a birth reg. Tried looking for a L*t* and not getting very far.

Also have seen the name as Rhoden.

do you mean Alice and John parents of Letitia?

Alice birth is on GRO
MORRIS, ALICE RODEN
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 448

I did find a few possibles on post 70 for some of the missing ones.

[cbcarolyn]

possibly stretching the mistranscription too far for Margaret - but there is this:

MORRIS, MINNIE ALICE mmn DANN
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 80

[Karamazov]

Busy people! I posted before seeing that John had not been found. Or Sophia

Have I missed something? (Quite possible!) Who is Sophia?

C

[cbcarolyn]

Have I missed something? (Quite possible!) Who is Sophia?

C

maybe she meant Letitia?

[fran]

Sorry folks.Says Sophia on transcription of 1861,but on closer inspection it must be Letitia.

[Katarzyna]

As Letitia says she is from Newark so much, checked my Notts stuff as my family lived there just before this time period and there is a baptism at Newark St. Mary Magdelene

Letita Rawden dau of John and Alice Rawden Newark laborer bap 10 Oct 1838

Marriage transcribed as John Rawdin to Alice Hullam Q4 1837 Newark

Did we have this somewhere? - can't see a previous posting.

Letitia Rowdin 1838 Q4 Newark MMN Hallam

[Elaine]

It was post 40