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  • cbcarolyn
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    that is sad to lose so many.

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  • Gardengirl
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    Chores done and rain stopped play in the garden so back to the searching

    I decided to start by reviewing some of the time lines. Katherine's family first and sadly her mother had a miserable experience of marriage and motherhood. She was married in June 1858 and had her first child, a boy called Thomas Warder in 1859 Q2. Sadly he died aged 4 months. The next child, another boy called George William was born in 1860 Q2 but sadly died the following year in 1861 Q3. The next child was Catherine Annie, born in 1861 Q3 who lived to lead such an interesting life. Soon after, in 1863 Q1 another boy, called Charles Whale was born but he, too, tragically only lived for a few months and died in 1863 Q3. Goodness knows what damage all this did to poor Janet but she also died in 1863 Q2. 4 children in the space of 5 years.

    What a tragic story and a very difficult start for poor little Catherine, who's father then remarried in 1866 Q4, to Emily Kendall when Catherine was just 5 years old.
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 03-06-20, 16:47.

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  • Gardengirl
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    Originally posted by Gardengirl View Post
    I haven’t looked into it but I guess it was possible to be in the asylum and still register to vote. He wasn’t necessarily 'mad' , he may have been suffering from depression, dementia or something similar.
    I've just read on another thread that if you are still paying the rates on your house then you are still entitled to vote. I wonder if that applies to Thomas. Off to do some more searching.......

    But better do some chores first

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  • Gardengirl
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    Ooh, good morning, Macbev. We must have posted at the same time. I have got the dates you have given for Daisy and have ordered her death certificate in case it contains any clues.

    I haven’t looked into a possible reason for meeting but that is an interesting line of enquiry to follow up though. Thanks.

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  • Gardengirl
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    I haven’t looked into it but I guess it was possible to be in the asylum and still register to vote. He wasn’t necessarily 'mad' , he may have been suffering from depression, dementia or something similar.

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  • Macbev
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    Given that Daisy Kate Skitteral was born in Australia in 1891 and Violet Ethel Skitteral was enrolled at Salter Hill School in 1892, that is a narrow time frame for the family's return to England. Can't see any likely passenger lists though.
    I guess you have the death of Daisy Kate in 1894 in Southwark.

    Trying to find a possible meeting of Thomas and Catherine Annie in Norwood, I looked at the 1881 census for that area, but although Thomas was there, the only possible connection I saw was a Sarah Kendall, b. 1830 London, occupation teacher of English. Could she have been a relative of Catherine's stepmother?

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by Gardengirl View Post


    I'm on the sofa with an ipad now so will check the ancestry links when I’m back on my laptop. Probably tomorrow because I’ll be watching A House through Time later.
    I see that he referred to the national asylum register, and then found quite a lot of history relating to that record,

    Long G must be Long Grove?

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...1-86a91398bd26

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Grove_Hospital
    1911 census - can't spot the initials via a search thought the age and occupation would rule him in or out https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti..._02965_0143_33

    he is on the reg of electors in Gipsy Road 1913 and 1911.

    Did you have him on 1911 census?

    the record states he was there from 1909 to 1925
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 02-06-20, 23:07.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by Gardengirl View Post
    That John Skitteral is my Thomas Skitteral's cousin.
    I guess you can assume that he was close to his family then if he came back and lived in the same road. I see another is Skitteral is a local councillor - great to have an unusual name.

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  • Gardengirl
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    That John Skitteral is my Thomas Skitteral's cousin.

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  • Gardengirl
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    Ah, yes, I found that one. The Norwood News has been a great source of interesting stories. I still have more searching to do on the other strand of the family, the WOODWARDS, but that will take a bit longer as it is a less unusual name.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    bit off tangent, but here is a newspaper article Skiteralls in Gipsy Road, Norwood.

    https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/...eral%20norwood

    father John and son Henry James. thought it maybe useful

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  • Elaine
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    George William and Catherine Anne Palmer were both baptised at St. Margaret Westminster 27 Oct 1861
    Attached Files

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  • Gardengirl
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    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    such a shame without an occupation not sure how you can tie her up.
    I think the birth place as Pimlico and the change of name spelling to Katherine make me fairly confident that it is her. Am I being too optimistic?

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  • Elaine
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    GRO

    Catherine Annie Palmer Q3 1861 Westminster MMN Damp

    Marriage
    1 Jun 1858 Westminster
    Janet Damp father William Damp
    Francis Palmer father George Damp
    Attached Files

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  • cbcarolyn
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    such a shame without an occupation not sure how you can tie her up.

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  • Gardengirl
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    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    the census where she is a boarder has confused me on her occupation, is that nil? if so how was she paying the rent? so like Beverley says keen to move out!
    I wondered about that, too. A couple of possibilities are that her father is paying if she had to move out because she didn’t get on with the new wife or maybe there just wasn’t enough space in the house. Or maybe the family that she was staying with were friends and not charging her for a temporary stay. I must see if I can find the locations on a map and see how far apart they are.

    I'm on the sofa with an ipad now so will check the ancestry links when I’m back on my laptop. Probably tomorrow because I’ll be watching A House through Time later.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by Macbev View Post
    Thos Hy Skitterall, b. abt 1864, age 24 yrs, occupation 'baker' arrived per 'Orient' 12 Apr 1888. bound for Melbourne. I can't see any Palmers on board

    https://search.ancestrylibraryeditio...=successSource
    https://search.ancestrylibraryeditio...=successSource

    takes you to this image
    https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.c...&usePUBJs=true

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  • cbcarolyn
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    Originally posted by Gardengirl View Post
    Ah, thank you. I'll try that.

    Watch this space.............

    ......... Nope, that didn't work for me. This is the link

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...ntPageIsStart=

    I replaced ancestry with ancestrylibraryedition and got Page Unavailable.

    My brain is hurting now so I'll try again in the morning. Night night all.
    I have had a go, it works when I am open on a record page, but not when I am not, weird.

    I have edited your link and it then takes me to here
    https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.c...&usePUBJs=true

    You will need to select quote on here to see the full URL

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  • cbcarolyn
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    the census where she is a boarder has confused me on her occupation, is that nil? if so how was she paying the rent? so like Beverley says keen to move out!

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  • Gardengirl
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    Originally posted by Macbev View Post
    Elaine has already put the marriage notice up in post #2. If Annie was married in October , either of the passenger lists are possible.
    Of course, I had forgotten that. So much new information to add to the tired old grey matter.

    Your summary of the facts is great. The only thing that I would add is that I think "6. Chn: a) Ann, b.1862 Pimlico (may be an illegit child, or perhaps Emily had an earlier marriage?)" could be Annie Catherine?

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