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Originally posted by Elaine View PostHave you come across this 1851, apprentice carpenter
The hint is a non-conformist baptism, parents George Palmer and Catherine Warder married in Kensington and there is a Surrey marriage Bond and Allegation which states George is a widower
I've got them 1841 on FMP Robert Palmer born 1839 MMN Warder
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79D-4T5Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthis is frank in 1881 I think:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...30/edit/record
did you have that?
Need to go and do a few chores now though. Back later when I can justify a few more hours at my laptopMain research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
https://www.southlondonclub.co.uk/bl...-of-bon-marche a lot of history on here....Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
https://www.southlondonclub.co.uk/bl...-of-bon-marche a lot of history on here....
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Originally posted by Macbev View PostThos Hy Skitterall, b. abt 1864, age 24 yrs, occupation 'baker' arrived per 'Orient' 12 Apr 1888. bound for Melbourne. I can't see any Palmers on board
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...=successSource
Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Originally posted by Macbev View PostI see Violet Ethel Skitteral was baptised St Luke Lambeth 4 Jun 1915, with birth date given as 13 Aug 1890. Living at 135 Gipsy road, Thomas' occupation, decorator. So perhaps not the one admitted to Long G.
Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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And in one of the shoplifting articles his wife says that her husband is in the assylum.Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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A possible...Annie Palmer, housemaid, 21 yrs, disembarking Melbourne, from the 'Iberia', 17 Nov 1885, from London. Appears to be travelling unaccompanied by family.
Or this one: Miss A.C. Palmer, b. abt 1864, age:24 yrs, arriving Melbourne 28 Sep 1888 per 'Liguria' from London. no occupation given, again without family.
Beverley
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Originally posted by Macbev View PostA possible...Annie Palmer, housemaid, 21 yrs, disembarking Melbourne, from the 'Iberia', 17 Nov 1885, from London. Appears to be travelling unaccompanied by family.
Or this one: Miss A.C. Palmer, b. abt 1864, age:24 yrs, arriving Melbourne 28 Sep 1888 per 'Liguria' from London. no occupation given, again without family.
Those both look possible but both make her year of birth c 1864. I'm sure she was born in 1861 so if anything, travelling alone she would have given an earlier date to make herself look older?
In the 1881 census she is 19 and has left the family home and gone to live in Streatham as a boarder with the Barrett family.
The Australian marriage date is 22 October 1888 and she gives her age as 25. The first child, Violet, was born in August the following year so it wasn't a rushed marriage due to pregnancy but arriving in September and getting married in October seems quick unless they knew each other before in England, maybe he went ahead to check out life in Australia then sent for her later? Or did she go first, on the Iberia in 1885 and he followed her out there?
Do you have access to any newspaper archives around that time that might mention the marriage?Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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Elaine has already put the marriage notice up in post #2. If Annie was married in October , either of the passenger lists are possible.
Personally, I think the Sept 1888 one sounds likely- especially if she described herself as a 'lady'. If she was a housemaid as per the 1885 list, I can't see 'lady' being applicable. The initials used (Miss A.C. Palmer) fit too. It looks to me as though she followed Thomas out to Australia to marry him, having met him in Norwood, Surrey, as per the marriage announcement.
Beverley
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OK....this is how I see the family. Correct me if I'm wrong.
1. Francis Palmer, s/o George Palmer & Catherine Warder was b. 16 Aug 1831 at Newport I o W.
2. June 1858, he married Janet Damp, b. 1836 I o W, d/o George Damp & Jane ?
3. Chn a) George William, b. 1860 Falmouth Cornwall, d. Aug 1861 Westminster
b) Catherine Annie b. 1861 Westminster
4. Janet Palmer d. Sep 1863
5. Francis Palmer m. 1866 Emily Julia Kendall ,b. Aug 1838 Chelsea London, d/o Thomas Kendall & Euphemia ?
6. Chn: a) Ann, b.1862 Pimlico (may be an illegit child, or perhaps Emily had an earlier marriage?)
b) Eliza, b. 1868 Battersea London
c) Emily F b. 1871 Chelsea
d) Frank b. 1873
e) Frederick b. 1875
f) Christopher c b 1877
7. Francis d. 26 Apr 1899
8. Catherine Annie emig Australia 1888, married Thomas Henry Skitteral the same year. They remained in Australia long enough to have two daughters...Violet & Daisy, then returned to England
9. Thomas 'disappeared' into an asylum between 1909 and 1925 and Catherine Annie went on to having an interesting life.
I don't find it at all surprising that Catherine Annie followed Thomas out to Australia all by herself....quite likely she didn't get on all that well with the stepmother and lots of half siblings.
Beverley
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Originally posted by Macbev View PostElaine has already put the marriage notice up in post #2. If Annie was married in October , either of the passenger lists are possible.
Your summary of the facts is great. The only thing that I would add is that I think "6. Chn: a) Ann, b.1862 Pimlico (may be an illegit child, or perhaps Emily had an earlier marriage?)" could be Annie Catherine?
Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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the census where she is a boarder has confused me on her occupation, is that nil? if so how was she paying the rent? so like Beverley says keen to move out!Carolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by Gardengirl View PostAh, thank you. I'll try that.
Watch this space.............
......... Nope, that didn't work for me. This is the link
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...ntPageIsStart=
I replaced ancestry with ancestrylibraryedition and got Page Unavailable.
My brain is hurting now so I'll try again in the morning. Night night all.
I have edited your link and it then takes me to here
https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.c...&usePUBJs=true
You will need to select quote on here to see the full URL
Carolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by Macbev View PostThos Hy Skitterall, b. abt 1864, age 24 yrs, occupation 'baker' arrived per 'Orient' 12 Apr 1888. bound for Melbourne. I can't see any Palmers on board
https://search.ancestrylibraryeditio...=successSource
takes you to this image
https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.c...&usePUBJs=true
Carolyn
Family Tree site
Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthe census where she is a boarder has confused me on her occupation, is that nil? if so how was she paying the rent? so like Beverley says keen to move out!
I'm on the sofa with an ipad now so will check the ancestry links when I’m back on my laptop. Probably tomorrow because I’ll be watching A House through Time later.
Main research interests.. CAESAR (Surrey and London), GOODALL (London), SKITTERALL, WOODWARD (Middlesex and London), BARBER (Canterbury, Kent), DRAYSON (Canterbury, Kent), CRISP (Kent) and CHEESEMAN (Kent).
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