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    Has anybody much experience with adoption?

    A friends Father was adopted, he’s sadly now passed away and his children would like to trace his family if possible. I know these records are closed but can an adopted persons children apply for a birth certificate after the adopted person has died?
    My Family History Blog Site:

    https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

    #2
    Yes, if they know the birth identity, but of course, most adopted people don't know their birth identity.

    I believe the law has changed and now allows close relatives of a deceased adopted person to have some limited information. To start the ball rolling you need to contact any adoption after care service provided by a local council and they will tell you what to do next.

    This service is not cheap!

    OC

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      #3
      http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.../newaccess.htm
      I am a professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, based in Buckinghamshire - please contact me for any help/advice or research via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
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        #4
        Thanks old crone and Antony much appreciated
        My Family History Blog Site:

        https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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          #5
          Was the father born before 1926/27?

          Official adoption, with record keeping only became law then. Adoptions before that were more-or-less ad hoc ..... family, friends, put into an orphanage and adopted from there, sometimes with records but more often not.
          My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

          Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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            #6
            A friend of mine traced her birth mother, and the Local authority that dealt with it sent to files to her local authority, not sure if they do the same with deceased adoptee, so she didn't have to travel.
            Carolyn
            Family Tree site

            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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              #7
              Originally posted by Sylvia C View Post
              Was the father born before 1926/27?

              Official adoption, with record keeping only became law then. Adoptions before that were more-or-less ad hoc ..... family, friends, put into an orphanage and adopted from there, sometimes with records but more often not.
              He was born in 1932 I’m chasing up with the children about whether they have a copy of the birth certificate or not, I am also trying to persuade them to take a DNA test
              My Family History Blog Site:

              https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                #8
                Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                A friend of mine traced her birth mother, and the Local authority that dealt with it sent to files to her local authority, not sure if they do the same with deceased adoptee, so she didn't have to travel.
                Thanks Carolyn, I’m trying to establish if it was an official adoption first or something unofficial. I have a few ideas what might have happened
                My Family History Blog Site:

                https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                  #9
                  Tell your friend to be prepared. Apparently, a huge fire broke out all over the UK and destroyed all adoption files and records, lol. This appears to be the standard reply to all opening enquiries about adoption matters. Ask for the date and place of the fire in that case.

                  Also be prepared for the file to contain things which are not true. Many adoptions were forced, particularly in the early days but that is not reflected in the commentary. Remember these files were never intended to be seen by anyone except court officials so can contain subjective "information" at best. We have had so many instances on here of adopted people being given incorrect information through to downright lies about the circumstances of their adoption, always to the detriment of the birth mother.

                  Good luck!

                  OC

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                    #10
                    Thanks OC have been in discussions with the family to make sure they are fully onboard with all the potential possibles, hopeful they will take a DNA test as that will be extremely helpful. I am insisting that nothing should be done without their Mums full consent
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                    https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                      #11
                      Further update, I now have a copy of the birth certificate and it is an official adopted child certificate
                      My Family History Blog Site:

                      https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                        #12
                        Paul

                        Do you mean it is a birth certificate, or an adoption certificate? In other words, birth name or new adopted name?

                        OC

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                          #13
                          Adoption certificate new adopted name
                          My Family History Blog Site:

                          https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                            #14
                            Ah right. Well, if they don't have the original birth cert then they have to take the
                            official route of using an accredited intermediary or try dna testing which MIGHT give you a birth identity but won't give you any reasons.

                            Good luck, let us know what happens, we are nosey on here!

                            OC

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                              #15
                              Have been in touch my cousins, technically second cousins, and explained to them the options. Current plan is to take DNA tests and also go through the official intermediary root, but have explained to them that with the Corona situation, normally the official process would be a long time, it will be a whole lot longer now.

                              of course I will let you know the progress, we are all nosey.......that’s what makes us Genealogists
                              My Family History Blog Site:

                              https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                                #16
                                Ouch intermediary services quoted at £935 plus vat..................might go with my DNA skills first take a punt with that see what that brings
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                                https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                                  #17
                                  Yes,.it doesn't come cheap and in one particular search we did on here, the intermediary service made the most appalling and unforgiveable blunder. We could have done it ourselves with more discretion and care - free of charge!

                                  OC

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                                    Yes,.it doesn't come cheap and in one particular search we did on here, the intermediary service made the most appalling and unforgiveable blunder. We could have done it ourselves with more discretion and care - free of charge!

                                    OC
                                    OC, was that the case where the much lauded intermediary launched in and contacted the deceased birth mother's family, caused devastation for her family and spoilt any chances of the adoptee ever having contact with half-siblings? That was a truly awful and badly handled experience.

                                    Jay

                                    Janet in Yorkshire



                                    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                                      #19
                                      That sounds absolutely awful, I am assuming the individual was reported to the appropriate authorities
                                      My Family History Blog Site:

                                      https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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                                        #20
                                        Jay, yes, that's the one.

                                        Paul I don't know whether she was reported or not, we were helping someone at a distance, we did all the work and the intermediary only had to make a discreet approach - we on here were adamant that the searcher go through the proper channels rather than one of us making an approach. It was such a sad ending to our search and must have been a devastating shock for a very elderly man.

                                        OC

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