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    Can you see Frederick?

    Hi all,

    Frederick G(eorge) Carter b. 1891 (according to 1901 & 1911 census), however I can't find his birth or see him on the 1939 register, no marriage hints either on Ancestry! Have tried using GRO using MMN but no luck - link for 1911 census https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...11&usePUB=true
    His father is John Carter b. 1866, Barnet, Middlesex and mother Annie Woodley b. 1868, Clewer, Berkshire.
    Can anyone spot his birth, marriage or death please?
    TIA Tessie

    #2
    So, one of Frederick's brothers died in France & Flanders in 1918. On his record it says Annie (his mother) is in Alberta, Canada and his father is deceased (I assume in Canada). Some of the other children I can't trace either so I'm thinking they've all gone to Canada - does anyone have a WW sub to look up for me please? Also, oddly I can't find any birth registrations for any of the children, only baptisms!?
    Thanks

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      #3
      there is this baptism, only thing seems odd is that he is the lodge keeper, but guess it is possible
      First name(s) Frederick George
      Last name Carter
      Baptism year 1890
      Baptism date 14 Sep 1890
      Place Thornton Heath, St Paul
      Residence The Lodge Grange Wood
      Father's first name(s) John
      Father's occupation Lodge Keeper
      Mother's first name(s) Bessie
      County Surrey
      Country England
      Archive Surrey History Centre
      Archive reference 2955/1/1
      Register type Baptisms
      Year range 1871-1892
      Page 187
      Record set Surrey Baptisms

      you can probably see WW ancestry with your library log in. It is available until the end of May. that is the only WW access I have,
      Carolyn
      Family Tree site

      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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        #4
        I can’t see a birth on GRO that fits any time 1887 to 1896. I have tried his surname being either CARTER or WOODLEY (and variants) and the same thing reversing the order of his forenames. Also tried him accidentally being registered as female (it happens!) but still zilch. Also nothing for a child with no forenames in case one or other has been mistranscribed.

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          #5
          Ignore that. Sorry. Didn’t spot mother had two forenames

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            #6
            I have found this earlier birth in Croydon which is correct Reg Dist for a child of the correct forenames and surname but there is no mms. Could he have the wrong age on census?
            CARTER, FREDERICK GEORGE -
            GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 215

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              #7
              Found this so far

              US Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists

              Frederick George Carter 23 arrival 6 Apr 1914 Portland , Maine on the Andania....occ. cinema operative last address Thornton Heath Road and with John Carter 45...gardener. Ref to wife but think this would be John

              https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...EA1151_27-0052

              Elaine

              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                #8
                Looks like they are going to Edmonton but no address on the other page

                Attached Files
                Elaine

                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  #9
                  Carolyn - thanks, looks like a good lead - I don't have a library log in!?

                  Gallowaylass - I tried that too - would both census be wrong though and his age on those match the US Passenger List Elaine just found

                  Elaine - thanks - I'll look for a marriage between 1909 and 1914 for that area as seems he hasn't moved that far away!

                  Edit* ignore that - just read the bit about the wife lol - so him and his Dad - what about his Mum and siblings though - they must be on another one somewhere and Annie certainly ends up in Canada! Thanks for info so far

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                    #10
                    1916 for you

                    https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census...ode%3a%22AB%22

                    with Annie now
                    Elaine

                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                      #11
                      Thanks Elaine - forgot about the Provinces one to look at for Canada!

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                        #12
                        On FMP National School admissions register
                        Frederick George Carter
                        Entered 1895. No previous school
                        Born 01/07/1890
                        Father John
                        Whitehorse Road Infants School, Croydon

                        Vera

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                          #13
                          Thanks Vera, so Carolyns baptism looks the most likely so far but very strange there are no birth registers for any of the children!! Will take another look tomorrow for them

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                            #14
                            There's a newspapers.com obit but don't have a sub

                            Annie Bessie James maiden name Carter 12 Oct 1940 age 72 10651 113 St.
                            St Edmonton, Alberta

                            Spouse W. James

                            Child Fred Carter
                            Henry Carter

                            Siblings
                            T. Rowland
                            Percy
                            F. Woodley
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              #15
                              The first one here is the snippet view and I can see it says 113 St. the former Mrs....Grrr that bit covered

                              https://www.newspapers.com/search/#q...p_place=Canada
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                #16
                                This one does

                                https://www.newspapers.com/search/#q...p_place=Canada
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                  #17
                                  I found an Annie Bessie carter and Richmond age 11 ( right age for Richard) on ancestry going to Canada 1914 on ancestry, rushed out to pick up DH, will find it again tomorrow.

                                  you should be able to join library on line and view, lots are saying you can.
                                  Carolyn
                                  Family Tree site

                                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                    #18
                                    Annie Burial I think

                                    http://coewebapps.edmonton.ca/cemeteries/default.aspx
                                    Elaine

                                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                      #19
                                      Here's the other baptisms I could find

                                      Alfred Woodley bap 26 Mar 1893 St Paul Thornton Heath
                                      Res. Grange Wood S. Norwood John's occ gardener mother Annie Bessie

                                      Annie Bessie bap 17 Jun 1894 St Paul Thornton Heath
                                      Res. 27 Elen Rd John's occ gardener mother Annie Bessie

                                      William Maurice bap 6 Dec 1896 St Paul Thornton Heath
                                      Res. Thornton Heath John's occ gardener mother Annie Bessie

                                      Richard Henry bap 16 Nov 1902 All Saints Upper Norwood
                                      Res 109 Moffat road John's occ gardener mother Annie Bessie




                                      Elaine

                                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                        #20
                                        on the library edition it has to newspapers.com obits, never looked before but they seem to be transcriptions only, there is this one, this must be Fredericks sister?:

                                        Name: Annie Bessie Bennett
                                        Gender: Female
                                        Death Age: 45
                                        Birth Date: abt 1894
                                        Residence Place: Edmonton
                                        Death Date: Abt 1939
                                        Death Place: HoSDltal
                                        Burial Place: Edmonton
                                        Obituary Date: 18 Sep 1939
                                        Obituary Place: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
                                        Mother: James
                                        Spouse: Bennett
                                        Child: Maurice
                                        Ernest
                                        Robert
                                        Siblings: Fred- Peace
                                        Henry Carter

                                        this must be the one Elaine has found - think same as Elaine has posted
                                        Name: Annie Bessie James
                                        Maiden Name: Carter
                                        Gender: Female
                                        Death Age: 72
                                        Birth Date: abt 1868
                                        Residence Place: 10651 113 St
                                        Death Date: 12 Oct 1940
                                        Obituary Date: 17 Oct 1940
                                        Obituary Place: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
                                        Spouse: W. James
                                        Child: Fred Carter
                                        Henry Carter
                                        Siblings: T. Rowland
                                        Percy
                                        F. Woodley


                                        Last edited by cbcarolyn; 16-05-20, 09:35.
                                        Carolyn
                                        Family Tree site

                                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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