can you help with great aunt pls

[yummy-mummy-amy]

hi,

i am struggling with some of my 3rd great aunts, i was trying to find deaths linked to them as "mum" was listed as having 7 children in 1911 of which 3 had died. I only have dates of death for 3 after 1911 and 1 definate before 1911.

• Mildred Maria Crockford born j/f/m 1864 in Denver norfolk. I have 2 different dates for baptisms for her (both have same parents names of thomas and amy) 1 is in feb 1864 and 1 is in july 1864. I have her on the 1871 census with thomas and amy. and this is where i loose her. I've found an 1881 census for a maria crockford listed as servant born in 1864 denver BUT there was a "maria crockford" born 1864 denver to william and maria crockford and i think this is her more than mildred (i could be wrong). i have tried searching freeBMD for marriages and deaths and drawn a blank, searched variant of croxford and croxfoot/crockfoot as well and under maria as well as mildred.

• Amy Elizabeth Crockford born 1854 in denver norfolk. i can't find a baptism for her, but she's on 1861 census and then i can't find her. I have found a marriage of an amy crockford in 1876 stansted sussex, and a death in 1928 sussex but dont think is her.

• anna/anne elizabeth born oct 1859/1860 i have a baptsim for anna elizabeth in 1859 in denver, shes not on the 1861 census but is on the 1871 and then vanishes.

I have wondered if amy and anna/anne are the same child but the birth years leave a big gap in age from 61 to 71 census as in 61 shes listed as 7 and in 71 is listed as 11 so only aged 4yrs in 10.

any help grateful.

[Karamazov]

Re Mildred Maria - the image of the Feb 1864 bap on Ancestry has a marginal note which looks like "private rec'd family". There are only transcript records for Jul 1864 bap. However, as there is O nly one birth registration for a Mildred Maria Crockford (and variant spellings) in Downham in the relevant time frame (with mmn Rice) I would suggest that the same child was baptised twice, first privately in Feb (perhaps she was sickly/not expected to survive?) then a few months later in church.
Plus what are the chances of two different Thomas Crockfords, both with wives called Amy, in the same village, both having daughters called Mildred Maria within months of each other?
Unlikely!
Sorry - haven't got time at the moment to investigate any further but will revisit later...
Christine

[yummy-mummy-amy]

thats her as amy was amy rice.

[Lin Fisher]

Amy, I'm also having no luck. I found an Amy Elizabeth on elec rolls for 1929-1931 but she is with Frank William Crockford and married in 1923.

I thought that Amy and Ann could be the same person but as you said the ages don't fit.

[yummy-mummy-amy]

thank you for taking time to look for me. no idea on them.

[cbcarolyn]

Will have a look on settee in a while :smile:

I am struggling to find 7 the births I have these so far from FMP, Rice and Rise, can't find any with spelling Crockford
Croxford Anna Elizabeth 1859 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Mildred Maria 1864 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Sarah Ann 1867 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Thurlow John 1871 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Emma Jane 1875 Downham, Norfolk, England

Then Deaths I have these (birth and death year):
Croxford Thurlow John 1871 1882 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Ann Maria 1875 1875 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Nathaniel William 1886 1887 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Priscilla 1887 1887 Downham, Norfolk, England
Croxford Nathaniel Cobler 1889 1890 Downham, Norfolk, England

A match on Thurlow John only at this stage.

[cbcarolyn]

This is the only birth with correct parents
Croxford Thurlow John 1871 1882 Downham, Norfolk, England

not sure about this one:
Croxford Nathaniel Cobler 1889 1890 Downham, Norfolk, England - no maiden name likely to be Cobler

[cbcarolyn]

I can't quite decide on the age of Amy in the 1861 census, maybe she is 1?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...363.1543608453

The marriage was in 1859 so more likely?

[cbcarolyn]

this is where I have got to, I think the 7 children are - from baptisms, FMP and census:
Amy (Anne) Elizabeth 1859
James William 1862 died before 1871?
Mildred Maria 1864
Sarah Ann 1867
Caroline Louisa 1869
Thurlow John 1871 died 1882
Emma Jane 1875

I have found crackford, crockford, croxford, rice and rise.

not checked GRO yet.

[cbcarolyn]

was struggling to find James William:
CROXFORD, JAMES WILLIAM RIX
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION Volume 04B Page 338


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...33/edit/record

his death:

CROXFORD, JAMES WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION Volume 04B Page 266

[Lin Fisher]

Just letting you know what I found on census.

Amy/Ann 1861 and 1871
Mildred 1871
Sarah Ann 1871
Caroline Louise 1871 and 1881
Thurlow J 1871 and 1881 as John T
Emma J 1881

All with parents and parents on 1891 and 1901, then Amy on 1911.

[cbcarolyn]

Just letting you know what I found on census.

Amy/Ann 1861 and 1871
Mildred 1871
Sarah Ann 1871
Caroline Louise 1871 and 1881
Thurlow J 1871 and 1881 as John T
Emma J 1881

All with parents and parents on 1891 and 1901, then Amy on 1911.

I have not seem Amy on 1911 - where is she, if she is there it must be Mildred that has died before 1911, along with the 2 boys

[Lin Fisher]

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...671%2F0115%2F1

This is the 1911, but Amy I meant the Mother. Sorry if you thought I meant the child!!

[cbcarolyn]

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...671%2F0115%2F1

This is the 1911, but Amy I meant the Mother. Sorry if you thought I meant the child!!

yes thought you meant child :smile:

[Lin Fisher]

Sorry, I didn't word it very well.

I only looked for the 3 that were asked for.

[cbcarolyn]

Is this Ann Elizabeth down as Rice:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...79/edit/record

[Lin Fisher]

Well done Carolyn. She was baptised on 13 Oct 1859 and Amy and Thomas married on 23 Oct 1859. Wonder what the vicar thought about it!!

[yummy-mummy-amy]

thanks everyone for replies, will work through them. i no the name changed from croxford, croxfoot, crockford etc, i hadnt thought about any of them as Rice.

the names that i have are as follows:

*Amy Elizabeth b 1854 denver norfolk d

*ann/anne elizabeth b1859 downham norflk d 1911

*Mildred maria b1864 d enver d

*sarah ann b 1867 denver d 1953

*caroline louisa b1868 denver d 1951

*john thurlow/thurlow john b 1871 denver d 1882

*emma jane b 1875 denver d 1943


1861 census has amy elizabeth only
1871 census has ann e, mildred, sarah, caroline and thurlow
1881 census has caroline, john t and emma

with regards amy on 61 i thought it says 7

[cbcarolyn]

with regards amy on 61 i thought it says 7

I thought so as that was how it had been transcribed, to tie i with census numbers she must be the same person as Anne - otherwise you have too many children with James william on post 10.