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So could be any religion thenCarolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostSo could be any religion thenJulie
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Another one possibly to eliminate - Jane Larkins
In the 1871 record of William Brown ( W) Cheesemonger b City of London with a young Flora Brown 3, there are three other children
Transfield Jane 15
Thomas 13
Rose 8
They are in 1865 in Marylebone workhouse with mother Jane who had been deserted by their father. Their settlement parish was St Lukes. These according to GRO are the children of mother with mn Larkins
Jane Phoebe1855
Thomas George 1859
Rose Maude 1853
Also Alice Adele b 1860
Elizabeth Kate Larkins b 1853
In 1861 family living Haverstock St, St Lukes In the City
Thomas 27 Brighton Sussex Watchmaker
Jane 26 Royston Herts
Elizabeth 8 St Luke
Jane 6 Hoxton
Thomas 2 Hoxton
Alice 5/12 St Luke's
It is likely Jane Larkins/Brown/Tansfield died pre 1873 as Thomas is with Martha In 1871 who he married In 1873 St Giles
I can see an 1841 census for a Jane Larkin with ? Sibs Elizabeth and Sarah In Royston Workhouse. No Ann but possibly not yet born or maybe not connected as she has always said she was born Ireland
vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostAnother one possibly to eliminate - Jane Larkins
In the 1871 record of William Brown ( W) Cheesemonger b City of London with a young Flora Brown 3, there are three other children
Transfield Jane 15
Thomas 13
Rose 8
They are in 1865 in Marylebone workhouse with mother Jane who had been deserted by their father. Their settlement parish was St Lukes. These according to GRO are the children of mother with mn Larkins
Jane Phoebe1855
Thomas George 1859
Rose Maude 1853
Also Alice Adele b 1860
Elizabeth Kate Larkins b 1853
In 1861 family living Haverstock St, St Lukes In the City
Thomas 27 Brighton Sussex Watchmaker
Jane 26 Royston Herts
Elizabeth 8 St Luke
Jane 6 Hoxton
Thomas 2 Hoxton
Alice 5/12 St Luke's
It is likely Jane Larkins/Brown/Tansfield died pre 1873 as Thomas is with Martha In 1871 who he married In 1873 St Giles
I can see an 1841 census for a Jane Larkin with ? Sibs Elizabeth and Sarah In Royston Workhouse. No Ann but possibly not yet born or maybe not connected as she has always said she was born Ireland
veraOriginally posted by vera2013 View PostJane Transfield Brown died 1st q 1871 Kensington aged 38
Vera
So, you are you saying that Flora Drusilla's dad is William the Cheesemonger? but he also fathered Jane Thomas & Rose? or that Jane and William are Floras parents but William isn't the father of Jane Thomas and Rose?Julie
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Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
OOh Vera! I had seen the Tansfield name a few times...
So, you are you saying that Flora Drusilla's dad is William the Cheesemonger? but he also fathered Jane Thomas & Rose? or that Jane and William are Floras parents but William isn't the father of Jane Thomas and Rose?
Not sure who the biological father is of the three Transfield children Jane, Thomas and Rose in the 1871 but note Jane Larkins and Thomas Edward Transfield didn't marry until 1860. It's a bit of a muddle.
Not sure why she ended up in a Marylebone Workhouse
I have a terrible sleep pattern.
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
I would think Flora Drusilla's father is the William Brown, Cheesemonger mother Jane Transfield nee Larkins.
Not sure who the biological father is of the three Transfield children Jane, Thomas and Rose in the 1871 but note Jane Larkins and Thomas Edward Transfield didn't marry until 1860. It's a bit of a muddle.
Not sure why she ended up in a Marylebone Workhouse
I have a terrible sleep pattern.
Vera
I see that Thomas Edwd Transfield married again in 1873 to Martha Hales.. So I suspect that he knew he was free to remarry if Jane had died pre 1871 censJulie
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
I would think Flora Drusilla's father is the William Brown, Cheesemonger mother Jane Transfield nee Larkins.
Not sure who the biological father is of the three Transfield children Jane, Thomas and Rose in the 1871 but note Jane Larkins and Thomas Edward Transfield didn't marry until 1860. It's a bit of a muddle.
Not sure why she ended up in a Marylebone Workhouse
I have a terrible sleep pattern.
Vera
I have found I think Flora Drusilla in 1881,.. as Flora TRANSFIELD living with her step?dad and mum and siblings
1881: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=6229260
but oddly I have found another Transfield family that are an acting/family troup. Same family but in two places over census night.
1881: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...ntPageIsStart=Julie
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oh my - the plot always seem to thicken!
I wonder if that second one was done from memory of a neighbour or something - did that sort of thing happen? Not known for pob would make sense.
I love the fact that they are also actors like Sophia Larkin!
Jane from Royston - I guess we can assume that is correct. No sign of parents names?Carolyn
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Very strange. Looks like the same family in Gloucester and Wales and also family of Thomas, previously a Watchmaker.
Sadly not the family connected to your Anne/ie. The mother of Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins, Sarah died in 1837 according to a family tree. Could possibly have died in childbirth with Annie, says she clutching at straws. Can't see father George, Tailor in any Census.
I note that at the same time Anne Larkins married her William Brown in 1865 she was living in Pickering Place as was William Brown, Cheesemonger.
I will put a link up for NA Pension records for info.
Vera
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It is odd that it is all going on in Pickering Place.
I am lost now - who is "Sadly not the family connected to your Anne/ie. The mother of Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins"
Mind you I have so many Larkins now.....
Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostIt is odd that it is all going on in Pickering Place.
I am lost now - who is "Sadly not the family connected to your Anne/ie. The mother of Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins"
Mind you I have so many Larkins now.....
The Jane Transfield mother of the Transfield children with William Brown and Flora in 1871 is Jane Larkins. She is with husband Thomas and the children In the 1861 residing in the City b Royston Herts.
A Jane Larkins aged 10 can be seen in Royston w/use in 1841 with a Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins. There are christening records for Jane In Royston giving f George, mother Sarah. According to d Sarah's m record, George is a Tailor.
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostVery strange. Looks like the same family in Gloucester and Wales and also family of Thomas, previously a Watchmaker.
Sadly not the family connected to your Anne/ie. The mother of Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins, Sarah died in 1837 according to a family tree. Could possibly have died in childbirth with Annie, says she clutching at straws. Can't see father George, Tailor in any Census.
I note that at the same time Anne Larkins married her William Brown in 1865 she was living in Pickering Place as was William Brown, Cheesemonger.
I will put a link up for NA Pension records for info.
VeraLast edited by Darksecretz; 17-08-20, 17:55.Julie
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doh I read that as - ie the mother of Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth Larkins As in Anne being the mother! Ok I am back on plot!Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI had a look at her yesterday, it did look interesting. A big Larkin family, I didn't check everything carefully, just to see who his parents are, and couldn't immediately see a link with Ann, he had a sister Sophia (and mother) I think. She was a comedian and is in the newspaper loads!
I think this is them in 1841, dates are a bit out maybe - looks like right name combinations
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=15285665
they have a Jane Larkin
think these will be on gro as on FMP
Larkin
Jane Elizabeth
1837
Clerkenwell, London, England
Larkin
William
1840
Clerkenwell, London, England
Larkin
Emily Selina
1842
Clerkenwell, London, England
also looked for a victualler James Larkin in newspaper, only mention of one that had died in Kent.
Then did wonder if there was a military connection in her father, and he had now left and was drifting around jobs.Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostJames Rodney Larkin b 1799 is an engraver - and here is his apprentice paper https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...004?pId=942459
Father William Larkin, so get the feeling that they are in London, and maybe no link the Lancaster b Adam Larkin
Here is Williams will:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...1_311450-00689
I think these are all of his children, more than mentioned in the will, from baptisms
Willm Henry Larkin Baptism 26 Jul 1779 St Mary Aldermary, City of London, London Sarah Elizabeth Larkin Baptism 10 Jun 1781 St Mary Aldermary, City of London, London Robert Joseph Larkin Baptism 12 Oct 1783 St Mary Magdalen, Old Fish Street, City of London, London Thomas Larkin Baptism 16 Oct 1785 St Ann Blackfriars, City of London, London Elizabeth Larkin Christening (Baptism) 28 Oct 1787 St Ann Blackfriars, City of London, London George Samuel Larkin Christening (Baptism) 14 Mar 1790 St Ann Blackfriars, City of London, London Charles Larkin Baptism 18 Mar 1792 St Ann Blackfriars, City of London, London Henry Norman Larkin Baptism 22 Jun 1794 St Ann Blackfriars, City of London, London James Rodney Larkin Baptism 5 May 1799 St Andrew by the Wardrobe, City of London, London
Just checking is the Adam Larkins b Lancaster? tree all done and a dead end?
William b 1755 names some of the children above, but not all so assume they are not his, or they have died before his death in 1826
William Henry b1779 d 1833
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...109?pId=318430
George Thomas
Sarah Elizabeth 1781 ?
Robert Joseph 1851 census I think
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...33&usePUB=true
children William, Eliza and Sarah
Thomas 1785?
Elizabeth 1787 marries Thomas Durnford (in will)
George Samuel d 1791
Charles 1792 in will not found him
Henry Norman marriage to Ann Gaisford ?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...591?pId=823904
- have not followed this one
James Rodney b 1799 touched on this tree before married Sophia Handley
census are all quite easy to find 1851 here with all the family
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...48&usePUB=true
lots of trees with this chap
Carolyn
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oh eck!.. there are more!
I had looked at Adam Larkin with wife Sophie and children Adam, William Henry and Sophia [he is the one from Lancaster originally] so don't think that they are connected.
I also looked at James Rodney but didn't go back as far as you did. I was working my way through the Larkins that are in Kensington. I'm currently on Patrick & Bridget Larkin and looking at their children. tree here: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...24493425/facts
I'm not sure what to think really I kind of thought that by plotting the families it may lead somewhere.
Julie
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