I wondered about that too, wish the Notts disc was like the Leicester St. Margarets one!
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Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
that is the pdf Vera.
This is the issue, I don't want to order the marriage cert for Kate Brown to Richard Skelton if she is the same Katie that is doesn't have a father if that makes sense.. as the witness' don't necessarily have to be family members. IF this is the same Kate then why doesn't she stay close to her family? I'm just not that confident in thinking that I'd achieve much by getting the cert.
William and Ann first married in Paddington St Stephens Anglican in 1865 and it would appear no children b until 1868 unless some deaths. St Stephens borders on Bayswater. William and Ann were living at the time of the first m in Pickering Place close to the Barracks which is quite a bit South in Westminster.
However one of the buts is why does Ann give her maiden name as Brown on the bc in 1866. Possibly not wanting to disclose couple were married without permission ( off on a tangent a bit there)
Little Katie was a scholar at time of 1871 and had hoped there would have been a Notts School record but none on FMP. As you say Julie you could get the mc of Katie and Richard with f details blank and no further forward.
Vera
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Originally posted by Elaine View PostI wondered about that too, wish the Notts disc was like the Leicester St. Margarets one!Julie
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
Been pondering on this a while. There wasn't any Workhouse record on Ancestry for the Katie Brown b 1866 that I could see. I'm not convinced Katie is Elizabeth's d. Kensington Town is a sub reg of Kensington and an area at the time of a lot of deprivation unlike their neighbours in Notting Hill Gate. Also close to Bayswafer and Paddington.
William and Ann first married in Paddington St Stephens Anglican in 1865 and it would appear no children b until 1868 unless some deaths. St Stephens borders on Bayswater. William and Ann were living at the time of the first m in Pickering Place close to the Barracks which is quite a bit South in Westminster.
However one of the buts is why does Ann give her maiden name as Brown on the bc in 1866. Possibly not wanting to disclose couple were married without permission ( off on a tangent a bit there)
Little Katie was a scholar at time of 1871 and had hoped there would have been a Notts School record but none on FMP. As you say Julie you could get the mc of Katie and Richard with f details blank and no further forward.
Vera
Thank you for pondering this, it never occurred to me at all that Katie could be William & Anns! [the penny finally dropped!] I know that the LMA have records on ancestry via the LMA website but trying to gain access is being problematic!... [I was thinking praps they had w/h records/admissions etc... ] ahhhhhhhggg why is it so infuriating!!!!
it's looking more and more like I'm going to have to get the m/cert isn't it, not unless i can find the info online!..Julie
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
Been pondering on this a while. There wasn't any Workhouse record on Ancestry for the Katie Brown b 1866 that I could see. I'm not convinced Katie is Elizabeth's d. Kensington Town is a sub reg of Kensington and an area at the time of a lot of deprivation unlike their neighbours in Notting Hill Gate. Also close to Bayswafer and Paddington.
William and Ann first married in Paddington St Stephens Anglican in 1865 and it would appear no children b until 1868 unless some deaths. St Stephens borders on Bayswater. William and Ann were living at the time of the first m in Pickering Place close to the Barracks which is quite a bit South in Westminster.
However one of the buts is why does Ann give her maiden name as Brown on the bc in 1866. Possibly not wanting to disclose couple were married without permission ( off on a tangent a bit there)
Little Katie was a scholar at time of 1871 and had hoped there would have been a Notts School record but none on FMP. As you say Julie you could get the mc of Katie and Richard with f details blank and no further forward.
Vera
As all their children have catholic baptisms I thought if she were theirs, I might find a baptism, I think all of them have now been found. Although it may just be that those records are not available, or really badly transcribed - not helped by being in Latin!
I am still not sure why Elizabeth would be in London and in 1911 she said she had no children, and Kate would still be alive, but could have fallen out?Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
the only thing with the marriage cert it could be a big surprise and be William and Anns child.
As all their children have catholic baptisms I thought if she were theirs, I might find a baptism, I think all of them have now been found. Although it may just be that those records are not available, or really badly transcribed - not helped by being in Latin!
I am still not sure why Elizabeth would be in London and in 1911 she said she had no children, and Kate would still be alive, but could have fallen out?
I presumed [badly now] that Katie was Elizabeths! [she could have been visiting/living with William/Ann?]
I'm not sure just where Henry comes into it, Though it makes me wonder if it was a family name.. she uses it as her 'husbands' name on Catherines bapt.. but she also names William, William Henry.. I might just be grabbing at straws though!!
am going to see if I can find anything about Nottm LS Libraries being online.Julie
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shame there is nothing in the papers, maybe one day there will be more papers that way and you will be lucky.
With that baptism - I had thought it could say Ann, the transcription said Ellen, but I didn't feel it was conclusive, Catherine fits and Larkin also, Quin could almost be Brown...
Disappointed that there are no army references to children.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
As all their children have catholic baptisms I thought if she were theirs, I might find a baptism, I think all of them have now been found. Although it may just be that those records are not available, or really badly transcribed - not helped by being in Latin!
the male godfather for Catherine's baptism looks like Joannis (John)
Vera
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I did have a wander around TNA - didn't find anything, but an odd site to use!Carolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostAn after thought there are some pension records at the National Archives for Army Widows but they may be in service only although William should have had a service pension.
vera
Ann would only have had her pension for possibly 4 years and then lost it when she married John.
Vera, it's interesting that you mention the children not marrying in an Anglican church.
William/Ann marry St Stephens Paddington 1865 then St Peter ad Vincula [The Royal Chapel] Tower of London in 1869
Ann later marries again in St Wilfrids parish Church Kirkby in Ashfield in 1876.
yet the children almost all marry in register offices.. I need to check with my cousin about one of them.Julie
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI'm having a look at TNA. They do take you round the houses a bit. At the moment the digitalised records are free to download, up to a certain number.
VeraJulie
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
the only thing with the marriage cert it could be a big surprise and be William and Anns child.
As all their children have catholic baptisms I thought if she were theirs, I might find a baptism, I think all of them have now been found. Although it may just be that those records are not available, or really badly transcribed - not helped by being in Latin!
But yet again I'm left with two witness names I can't place!
Richard Foster & Sophia Lines
does anyone know where the register office in Nottingham was in Feb 1887? It wasn't Shakespeare St as that didn't become a R/O until August 1887.Julie
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yay - so mystery solved, that makes sense to me. Maybe another search in the baptisms.
Elizabeth is all good now then, and seem to remember in 1911 she said she had no children? or am I misrememberingCarolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postyay - so mystery solved, that makes sense to me. Maybe another search in the baptisms.
Elizabeth is all good now then, and seem to remember in 1911 she said she had no children? or am I misremembering
Catherine Quin bapt was a red herring as there is a birth in the index for her, so she appears to be legit.Julie
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Well I have been having a look and tracking Annie and I think that I have her marriage and after she married I can't seem to find her with Margaret in 1871 though I am pretty sure when I looked before I did find Margaret and Annie.
1881: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...07&usePUB=true
1885 marriage: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...49&pId=7755203
1901: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...07&usePUB=true
note the visitor.
1911: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=7814Julie
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Could be, will look later today.Carolyn
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