This is the information I was given from somebody on ancestry
My subscription with fmp runs out shortly so I was looking at tying up a few loose ends and decided to take another look at Mary Ann Bates as I had never really got any further with her so going over her details have found a few more things and wondered if anybody can help fill in the gaps.
She was said to be born approx 1804 Greenwich although place of birth does change to Kent in later census. She first married Henry Freed in MInster Isle of Sheppey Kent but he died 1840 so she remarried to Robert Honeysett. They have a child Eliza registered as Freed but baptised as Honeysett. On her marriage to Robert Honeysett her father in the parish records is put as John Valentine. So relooking at the 1841 census she is noted as a pauper but looking at the places/farms around there are some clues. One of the farms is Joseph and Harriet Clout who are the witnesses at her 2nd marriage but they are also related as in laws with her previous marriage. One of the farms run by her as father in law Henry Freed has some Bates family working there. I did put this on another site yesterday and somebdoy came up with a theory of how they are related but no idea how they came to that conclusion.
(One of them, William Bates lives on the Freed farm with his mother Elizabeth and uncle Jeremiah Bates. Elizabeth was the wife of John Bates, her maiden name was Filmer. They married in Maidstone in 1798.
In 1841 Elizabeth and John are estranged. John is a labourer on a nearby East Sutton farm. If you trace that branch of the Bates family back you arrive at Valentine Bates who married Marjory Hussey in 1675 in Denton, Kent. Might be worth following up.
Incidentally Robert Honeysett was, in 1841, a labourer on a farm not two miles from where Mary Ann was living.)
I dont know how he worked that one out so quickly but with the name Valentine not being a very common one I am sure there will be a connection somewhere if anybody has the records to work it out I would be grateful.
Just off out for most of the day so hope I have given enough info to go on. I descend from the first marriage to Henry Freed via their son James Freed
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My subscription with fmp runs out shortly so I was looking at tying up a few loose ends and decided to take another look at Mary Ann Bates as I had never really got any further with her so going over her details have found a few more things and wondered if anybody can help fill in the gaps.
She was said to be born approx 1804 Greenwich although place of birth does change to Kent in later census. She first married Henry Freed in MInster Isle of Sheppey Kent but he died 1840 so she remarried to Robert Honeysett. They have a child Eliza registered as Freed but baptised as Honeysett. On her marriage to Robert Honeysett her father in the parish records is put as John Valentine. So relooking at the 1841 census she is noted as a pauper but looking at the places/farms around there are some clues. One of the farms is Joseph and Harriet Clout who are the witnesses at her 2nd marriage but they are also related as in laws with her previous marriage. One of the farms run by her as father in law Henry Freed has some Bates family working there. I did put this on another site yesterday and somebdoy came up with a theory of how they are related but no idea how they came to that conclusion.
(One of them, William Bates lives on the Freed farm with his mother Elizabeth and uncle Jeremiah Bates. Elizabeth was the wife of John Bates, her maiden name was Filmer. They married in Maidstone in 1798.
In 1841 Elizabeth and John are estranged. John is a labourer on a nearby East Sutton farm. If you trace that branch of the Bates family back you arrive at Valentine Bates who married Marjory Hussey in 1675 in Denton, Kent. Might be worth following up.
Incidentally Robert Honeysett was, in 1841, a labourer on a farm not two miles from where Mary Ann was living.)
I dont know how he worked that one out so quickly but with the name Valentine not being a very common one I am sure there will be a connection somewhere if anybody has the records to work it out I would be grateful.
Just off out for most of the day so hope I have given enough info to go on. I descend from the first marriage to Henry Freed via their son James Freed
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