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    hi,
    were babies burried in 1917? if so, where/how do i find the grave? ive looked on billiongraves and findagrave but nothing is coming up (maybe if they havent been photographed they not there).

    the 2 graves im trying to find are for twin boys both deaths registered in the same quarter of 1917 - Thomas and Robert Lackey born 20th june 1917 and deaths (awaiting certs) but registered in amj quarter, so they were only days old. The parents are Gardiner Lackey and Margaret Ann Lackey (nee liddle/liddell). And they lived in freehold west rainton, also listed as freehold houghton-le-spring.

    any help appreciated. thanks
    **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

    https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

    #2
    Hi Amy,
    You will have to check the local cemetery for their graves, some council sites host their cemetery interments online. [or the burial registers in the church for their interments] failing that try the local studies in your library to see if they have the burial registers on microfiche. Lastly it may be that they are in the Local Archives.
    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

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      #3
      Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
      Hi Amy,
      You will have to check the local cemetery for their graves, some council sites host their cemetery interments online. [or the burial registers in the church for their interments] failing that try the local studies in your library to see if they have the burial registers on microfiche. Lastly it may be that they are in the Local Archives.
      would i have to go to the local archives of that area?
      **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

      https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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        #4
        Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post

        would i have to go to the local archives of that area?
        I would think so yes. It may be worthwhile firing off an email to the local library and/or the Archives might help. ? Like I say it might be that a local studies library would have the burial registers on fiche. { I know that our LS library has fiche for at least half a dozen town churches in my area } The council run cemeteries records however are either kept at the local archives or the more recent ones by the council themselves. [so maybe an email to them too wouldn't go amiss]
        Julie
        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

        .......I find dead people

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          #5
          West Rainton genuki has this info:
          https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/WestRainton

          It says 28% are photographed on Find a grave:
          https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/...gin-churchyard

          GENUKI has https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/HoughtonleSpring

          http://www.houghtonlespring.org.uk/records/index.htm
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #6
            hi, thanks for this. i am pretty sure they are not in west rainton as i went round there a few yrs ago and only found robert & marys grave. howver, when it warms up again im getting the train over that way and going on a hunt.
            **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

            https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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              #7
              Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post

              hi, thanks for this. i am pretty sure they are not in west rainton as i went round there a few yrs ago and only found robert & marys grave. howver, when it warms up again im getting the train over that way and going on a hunt.
              Hi Amy,
              it might be that there isn't a headstone and they are just in a grave, which is where the burial registers would come into play.
              Julie
              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

              .......I find dead people

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                #8
                Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

                Hi Amy,
                it might be that there isn't a headstone and they are just in a grave, which is where the burial registers would come into play.
                I strongly reinforce what DS has said. Gravestones (plus the cost of a faculty to have one erected) have always been an expensive item for the poorer in society, sometimes purchased by several descendants, all clubbing together, rather than being paid for by one individual . Bear in mind 1917 was during WW1, with a labour shortage. Also there would have been no insurance policy to cover funeral costs, which has always been relatively costly. Villagers sometimes erected a wooden cross as a place marker in the village churchyard, but in time these rotted away.
                All village churchyards have burial plans marking graves and who is interred by them; if the burial register has not been filmed, then I would write to one of the churchwardens of the parish and ask if they would be kind enough to look at the plan. Also. the burial register for 1917 may still be in use - the one at our church is! - and so may not have yet been deposited at the local record office.

                Jay
                Janet in Yorkshire



                Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post

                  I strongly reinforce what DS has said. Gravestones (plus the cost of a faculty to have one erected) have always been an expensive item for the poorer in society, sometimes purchased by several descendants, all clubbing together, rather than being paid for by one individual . Bear in mind 1917 was during WW1, with a labour shortage. Also there would have been no insurance policy to cover funeral costs, which has always been relatively costly. Villagers sometimes erected a wooden cross as a place marker in the village churchyard, but in time these rotted away.
                  All village churchyards have burial plans marking graves and who is interred by them; if the burial register has not been filmed, then I would write to one of the churchwardens of the parish and ask if they would be kind enough to look at the plan. Also. the burial register for 1917 may still be in use - the one at our church is! - and so may not have yet been deposited at the local record office.

                  Jay
                  Yep that's true Jay, but I'm not sure whether Amy means a council cemetery or a churchyard, but the burial plan is a good idea for the churchyard.
                  Julie
                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                  .......I find dead people

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                    #10
                    If they died very soon after birth, they may have been buried in a coffin with an unrelated adult. Undertakers often did this as a kindness to poor families who couldn't afford either a funeral or a burial plot. Do you have their exact dates of death, as that might be another angle to investigate, although whether that fact would be recorded I'm not sure.

                    OC

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                      #11
                      http://www.houghtonlespring.org.uk/h...tery/index.htm

                      might be able to help in locating the correct burial place?
                      Julie
                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                      .......I find dead people

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                        #12
                        Have found Houghton on family search, this page covers the burial date you have but can't see them page 714

                        https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...713&cat=826078

                        Elaine

                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                          #13
                          The first page of the batch where this record is 1892-1998

                          https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...606&cat=826078

                          Page 723 is a new batch and starts Dec 1917
                          Elaine

                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            #14
                            would you like me to do a search on findagrave?
                            I am a member on it.
                            just need a bit more info.

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                              #15
                              hi,
                              thanks everyone for replies. i am awaiting their death certs for exact date. Birth was 20th june 1917 and deaths are registered in the same quarter -Registration Date Apr 1917 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration districtHoughton Inferred County Durham Volume10a Page570 (both).
                              as for church or council graveyard i have no idea, what would have been their grandfather is in the churchyard in west rainton, and their is an overflow across the road. there are others very close in distance (few miles)

                              the_colour_silver_82 if you dont mind that would be great thank you. what extra info do you require?
                              **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                              https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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                                #16
                                there is also a baby sister mary jane lackey born and died in 1916 - born oct 1916, died dec 1916 listed as freehold houghton le spring. so if we can find a grave for her the boys maybe there as well.
                                **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                                https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post
                                  there is also a baby sister mary jane lackey born and died in 1916 - born oct 1916, died dec 1916 listed as freehold houghton le spring. so if we can find a grave for her the boys maybe there as well.
                                  Amy when you say 'freehold houghton le spring' do you mean that they owned the place? or it was a place? [i'm a bit confused]

                                  I don't think that with Silver being a FAG member will help at all... I'm a member too but it doesn't give you any magical powers to search any better.. sorry.
                                  Julie
                                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                  .......I find dead people

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

                                    Amy when you say 'freehold houghton le spring' do you mean that they owned the place? or it was a place? [i'm a bit confused]

                                    I don't think that with Silver being a FAG member will help at all... I'm a member too but it doesn't give you any magical powers to search any better.. sorry.
                                    freehold was a place near west rainton houghton le spring, it has since been changed to a new name and new housing estate built there.
                                    **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                                    https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post

                                      freehold was a place near west rainton houghton le spring, it has since been changed to a new name and new housing estate built there.
                                      Ahhh that makes things a little clearer then.. have the death certs not come yet then?
                                      Julie
                                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                      .......I find dead people

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

                                        Ahhh that makes things a little clearer then.. have the death certs not come yet then?
                                        no, they said 3-5 working days :(
                                        **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                                        https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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