help needed reading certs please

[Norfolk Marsh Gal]

Please can anyone help read these certs, I'm having difficulty working out some of the words



toogoods.doc

I think these children are from the same family but wonder why Jeremiah is calling himself John?

[KiteRunner]

First one:

sey Hounslow in fourth column HCG &c(?)
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Eliza Toogood
1866 September ninth 2h 0m PM Purin(?) Den
F
John Toogood Licensed Hawker Eliza Toogood MS Coleman 1840 Hounslow Middlesex (Hounsly has been corrected to Hounslow)
John Birrell Sexton Falkland deputed by the Father who is sick
1866 September 14th at Falkland John Cruickshank Registrar.

[KiteRunner]

Second one:
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Eliza Toogood Single
1866 September twelfth 3h 30m PM Purin Den
F
3 days
John Toogood Licensed Hawker Eliza Toogood MS Coleman
Premature Birth as certified by James Lyell surgeon
John Birrell Sexton Falkland
1866 September 14th at Falkland John Cruickshank Registrar.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Difficult to make out the middle one, but the top one, where he is called John, says that the information has been "deposited by" (I think they mean deposed by) the father, who is sick.

As to why he called himself Jeremiah - who knows? He made his mark, I notice, so wouldn't have been able to read the name anyway, to correct the Registrar.

Unless you can find a Jeremiah AND a John, I would be confident they are one and the same person.

OC

[KiteRunner]

Third one - now the problems start!

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James ????????
18?3 June ?????nth 9(?)h 30m AM something Vicarage something
M
Jeremiah Toogood Licensed Hawker of Baskets Eliza Toogood MS Colman about 2(?)0 years ago Middlesex
Jeremiah Toogood X his mark Father, John ????? Registrar Witness
1863 June 15th ??????????????? John ????? Registrar.

[Norfolk Marsh Gal]

Thanks Kate and OC, Ihave a marriage cert for Jeremiah Toogood and Eliza Coleman 1842 Hounslow so looks like it has to be the same family

[KiteRunner]

OC - No, that top one says "deputed by the father who is sick", i.e. he sent John Birrell, the sexton, to register the birth (and the death) on his behalf.

If his real name was Jeremiah then it could well be that John Birrell didn't know that and thought he was called John.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Yes, I can see "deputed by" now!

OC

[Darksecretz]

The last one is pretty bad to read...

James Toogood, M. Born, 1863 JUNE ?enth? ?? AM

then it looks like....

In a ???? ?? vicarage...

praps a building connected to it? like an annex?

father Jerimiah Toogood licesned hawker of baskets

mother Eliza toogood MS, colman

abt 20 yrs marriage mdx

and as he was registered on the 15th June 1863... this should help

[Norfolk Marsh Gal]

Thankyou, maybe teh vicars wife took her in while she had her baby?

in 1871 the family are still in Scotland living in a caravan, can't find them 51, 61 or 81 census so think they were gypsies. 1891 Eliza is widowed and living in Northshields with her sons who are fairground propietors

[Norfolk Marsh Gal]

I've just been looking at it again - do you think the line above Vicarage says In a caravan? the word after vicarage is Aberdeen

[Darksecretz]

well,

I did think that, but didnt want to look a dodo by suggesting it... :o

I would think it would be a Vardo then... (I think thats what they are called, the ones with the rounded tops)