Can anyone see William on the 91/01?

[Tippin]

Hi all,

Can anyone spot William Bromley for me on the 1891 or 1901 census'. I am completely at a loss as to where he is.

He was born on the 12th June 1860, at Church Gresley in Derbyshire, the son of Jonathan Clee Bromley and Mary Parker.

On the 1861 census he is living with his parents at Gresley. 1861 Census

On the 1871 census he is still living at Gresley with his parents. 1871 Census

By the time of the 1881 census he has moved out of his father's house, and is now a border, but still living in Gresley. His place of birth also now reads Swadlincote, which was where the Bromley family resided before moving to Church Gresley. 1881 Census

Then he goes missing for two decades, in which time he marries. I have no idea what the time of his wife was, or if he had any children.

The 1911 census shows William as a Widower now residing in Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire. 1911 Census

William died in 1926, and is buried at Denio (just outside Pwllheli). The person who registered his death is listed as the Occupier, so I persume he died in a Workhouse/Hopsital and had no family in the area to register the death.

Any help on my conundrem, exspecially locating William's wife would be much received (I know it's a long shot as Bromley is a common name).

Many Thanks,
Tippin

[AlanC]

There are a few options to consider with 'Bramley' as a surname.

[Tippin]

Hi AlanC,

Thanks for your imput. I had thought of looking under different names, but still cannot see William anywhere.

I feel that this is now a lost cause, and will never know what happened between William's birth and death.

Tippin

[Guest]

I see he is a House painter in 1911 ? did try looking for him under that occupation in 1901 but no luck ? wonder if he was in the army ?

[Elaine]

Found this...eyes down again;D
IGI
parents: Jonathan Bromley
spouse: Mary Ann Arrowsmith

groom's name: William Bromley
groom's birth date: 1860
groom's age: 22
bride's name: Mary Ann Arrowsmith
bride's birth date: 1864
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 04 Dec 1882
marriage place: Parish Church Or Church Of The Resurrection,Dresden,Stafford,England
groom's father's name: Jonathan Bromley
bride's father's name: William Arrowsmith
indexing project (batch) number: M16628-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1470944 IT 1-4, 6-13

[Elaine]

parents: Jonathan Bromley, Mary

name: William Bromley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 01 Jul 1860
baptism/christening place: Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England
father's name: Jonathan Bromley
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C06129-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1042086

siblings baptisms also

https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abromley~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajonathan~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amary~

[Guest]

as usual Elaine you are clever, was all that on familysearch?

[Elaine ..Spain]

IGI
parents: Jonathan Bromley
spouse: Mary Ann Arrowsmith

groom's name: William Bromley
bride's name: Mary Ann Arrowsmith

marriage date: 04 Dec 1882
marriage place: Parish Church Or Church Of The Resurrection,Dresden,Stafford,England
groom's father's name: Jonathan Bromley
bride's father's name: William Arrowsmith
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This could be the 1901 census for Mary, shown as married, but no William present on census.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=mary&gsln=bromley&sx=&f1=&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f27=&f14=&f15=longton&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1901&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=1&h=34447004&recoff=

RG13; Piece: 2614; Folio: 50; Page: 24

[Elaine]

Have found this one

1891 Census
BROMLEY, William widower relative Machine Heel Parer Boot & Shoe Trade
STAFFORD, Staffordshire
RG12 piece 2139 folio 131 page 19

with John and Elizabeth Henshall Nellie 1mth all as born Stafford Staffordshire

Name: HENSHALL, John

Registration district: Stafford
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1890
6B/36


an Elizabeth Bromley on the same page

[Elaine]

Yep, family search Val, this short cut is also really useful

https://familysearch.org/search/coll...INGDOM_IRELAND

[Elaine]

1891 with her mother again ?

1891 Census
HARRISMITH, Eliza
STOKE UPON TRENT, Staffordshire
RG12 piece 2180 folio 79 page 57

same occupations Mary slightly out but says daughter married

[Tippin]

WOW, thank you all for the wonderful help.
I think I will have to order the marriage certificate of William & Mary Ann Arrowsmith to make sure though before I add it to my tree, but it all looks good!!!!

Many Thanks once again for the help.
Tippin

[Elaine]

Am not sure about the Henshall bit as I think it is another William Bromley born Stafford

[Tippin]

Thanks to everyone once again for looking into this for me.

I have had a look on the earlier census' for a William Bromley born around 1860 with a father Jonathan, and can only find the one so the marriage does look good. Thank you so much for finding that for me Elaine, I did not realise FamilySearch has records that late!

Also thank you to both Elaine's for finding Mary on the Census's for me. It's just a shame that Mary's relationships on the 1901 census are all over the place! I have not been able to find a John on the GRO born around 1894, and can't believe that he is not Mary's son. William had no brothers so I do not know where a cousin Bromley living with the Arrowsmith's could come from, and I don't think and members of the extended family managed to find their way over to Stoke. I wonder where William was during those thirty years, I guess there could he a hundred and one reasons as to why he was not on the census', perhaps he was a travelling salesman?

Many thanks once again to everyone who helped look for the illusive William Bromley. I doubt I would have been able to find his wife without you all!

Tippin