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    Hi I wonder if anyone wants a challenge.

    This is complicated so I will do my best to explain giving as much information as I can.

    Eliza Codd/Coad (the family name changes c1861 ) was born in Onehouse Suffolk 1840. Her parents were James Codd and Sophia Blundell. I have Eliza on the 1851 census and 1861 census returns. In 1861 she is living in Rotherham. I presume she moved to Rotherham with her parents as they are also living in Rotherham although they are not living in the same village – Eliza is a Servant.

    I can’t find Eliza in 1871, however in 1881 she is living and working in Leeds as a Lady’s maid. I think she marries Alaxander Goucke in 1882(Leeds). My concerns are that she ‘looses’ 9 years. Her age on her marriage certificate is given as 35. However, this may be because her husband is 7 years younger than Eliza. Also, her father James is described as a Farm Baliff. On the 1861 census, the last census before James’ death, James is an agricultural labourer. Does this lady like to manipulate the facts? The marriage is on Ancestry Parish records.

    The couple can be found on the 1891 and 1911 census. In 1891 they are living in Leicester ( surname transcribed as Goncke). In 1911 they are living in Headingley Leeds. I have not found them on the 1901 census but with a name like Coucke it is ripe for mistranscription. On the 1891 and 1911 census returns Eliza’s niece Harriet Calthorpe(born 1870) is living with the couple.

    My real question is who was her mother? Niece suggests she is Eliza’s sister as both Eliza and Harriet came from Suffolk – Alaxander came from Ireland. But I cannot find out who Harriet’s mother was. Eliza had 4 known sisters – Mary, Salome, Sophia and Elizabeth. Mary died 1867, Salome died 1868, Sophia died 1912. Elizabeth is the only one I cannot track after 1851 so I don’t know if she died or married. I cannot find a Codd/Coad Calthorpe (or derivatives)marriage.

    To summarise I am looking for Eliza 1871, Eliza and Alaxander 1901 census, and would like to know how Harriet and Eliza are related.

    Sandra
    Last edited by Sherbertrose; 01-09-12, 18:36.

  • #2
    1901 census - transcribed on Ancestry as Eliza Goulde

    RG13; Piece: 4246; Folio: 125; Page: 17.
    Elaine







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    • #3
      Hi Elaine,

      Well that was quick. Thank you. Any success with Eliza and Harriet's relationship question?

      Sandra

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      • #4
        I'm working on it!

        Re: 1881 census - Eliza in Leeds. Can't see her - can you give the reference or a link?
        Elaine







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        • #5
          Forget that - found her now in 1881. Sorry!
          Elaine







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          • #6
            1871 census - seems to have been recorded as Eliza Wood ??
            I'm sure it's the right one as she is with Eliza Muff (same as 1881)

            Elaine







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            • #7
              Hi Elaine,

              Yes, that's her - it never occurred to me to look for Eliza Muff and they were obviously close as Eliza was a witness for Eliza Codd's wedding.

              Sandra

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              • #8
                Re: Harriet's mother.

                Father is widowed in 1871 with two young children - John aged 3, Harriett aged 2.
                Therefore we are looking for a death for mother in 1870/1871.

                Only one I can see that fits is Mary Ann Colthorpe (born c 1843) - death registration 1871 1st quarter - Stow, volume 4a, page 363
                There is another death with the same registration details for a Samuel Abraham Colthorpe, aged 0
                - so it looks as if this mother and child died at the same time .. but whether it's the right family or not, I have no idea!

                Trying to work back for a marriage of a William Colthorpe to a Mary Ann, but not having much luck.
                Elaine







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                • #9
                  1901 for you and her age is different again, nearer Alexander so I think you are right

                  12, Trelawn Place, Headingley Cum Burley, Headingley Yorks

                  RG13 piece 4246 folio 125 page 17


                  GOUCHE, Alexander Head Married M 50 1851 Gardener Rutland
                  GOUCHE, Eliza Wife Married F 51 1850 Onehouse, Suffolk
                  CALTHORPE, Harriet Niece Single F 30 1871 Upholstress Stowapland,
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
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                  • #10
                    Sorry been looking at 1871 and had 1901 on standby whilst looking :o, anyway have Alexander in the paper

                    Bankrupts, &c .
                    The Huddersfield Chronicle and West Yorkshire Advertiser (West Yorkshire, England), Saturday, January 10, 1880; pg. 2

                    Partnership's dissolved
                    Alexander Goucke and George William Jubb, florists and seedsmen, Beech Grove Gardens, College-road, Leeds
                    Last edited by Elaine; 01-09-12, 19:57.
                    Elaine

                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                    • #11
                      Elain(Spain)

                      I got to the same point as you tracking Harriet back to the 1871 Census. But then a dead end......!

                      Sandra

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                      • #12
                        Elaine,

                        Interesting fact.

                        Sandra

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                        • #13
                          Only one I can see that fits is Mary Ann Colthorpe (born c 1843) - death registration 1871 1st quarter - Stow, volume 4a, page 363
                          Buried Stowupland Holy Trinity on 15th March 1871 age 28 as Calthorpe.

                          There is another death with the same registration details for a Samuel Abraham Colthorpe, aged 0
                          Buried same church 21st March 1871 infant also Calthorpe.

                          Moggie

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                          • #14
                            Going back to William, there is a William Colthorp, Stow Upland, Suffolk 1881 with daughter Harriet there 2 Bobys Cottages

                            RG11
                            Piece/Folio: 1850 / 138
                            Page Number: 18
                            Head William Colthorp M 43 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Wife Jane Colthorp F 32 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Son James Colthorp M 13 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Daughter Harriett Colthorp F 12 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Step Daughter Alice George F 10 Bacton, Suffolk, England
                            Daughter Charlotte Colthorp F 7 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Son William Colthorp M 5 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Daughter Eliza Colthorp F 4 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Son Arthur Colthorp M 2 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Son Edgar Colthorp M 0 Stowupland, Suffolk, England
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            • #15
                              COLTHORPE, William married GEORGE, Jane
                              Registration district: Stow
                              County: Suffolk
                              Year of registration: 1873
                              Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 4a/827

                              1891 RG12; Piece: 1456; Folio: 110; Page: 20

                              Looks to be them looking at census returns if Harriet is the right one

                              COLTHORPE James William Stow Suffolk 1867 Apr-May-Jun

                              COLTHORPE Harriet Stow Suffolk 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar

                              COLTHORPE Charlotte Stow Suffolk 1873 Jul-Aug-Sep

                              looking at births
                              Last edited by Elaine; 01-09-12, 20:34.
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              • #16
                                Thought this was William with his father 1861

                                RG 9; Piece: 1147; Folio: 27; Page: 20

                                but marriage has father George Codd

                                So looked and found a marriage for a Sarah Elizabeth Codd to

                                CALTHORPE, William
                                Registration district: Spilsby
                                County: Lincolnshire
                                Year of registration: 1865
                                Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun 7A /1131

                                father is Robert

                                1865 17-May Calthorpe William George Codd Sarah Elizabeth Robert Parish-Well

                                nearest I have found to the name though
                                Last edited by Elaine; 01-09-12, 20:59.
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                • #17
                                  Hi Elaine,

                                  Could be interesting. However, my brain is a bit addled now - can't think straight at this time of night. I am going to close my lap top down, but rest assured I will follow this up in the morning.

                                  Many thanks, Sandra

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                                  • #18
                                    Got some baptisms
                                    parents: William Calthorpe,​ Marianne

                                    name: James William Calthorpe
                                    gender: Male
                                    baptism/christening date: 28 Aug 1870
                                    baptism/christening place: STOWUPLAND,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
                                    father's name: William Calthorpe
                                    mother's name: Marianne
                                    indexing project (batch) number: C13214-1
                                    system origin: England-ODM
                                    source film number: 0952468, 0952470

                                    name: Martha Calthorpe
                                    gender: Female
                                    baptism/christening date: 28 Aug 1870
                                    baptism/christening place: STOWUPLAND,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
                                    father's name: William Calthorpe
                                    mother's name: Marianne
                                    indexing project (batch) number: C13214-1
                                    system origin: England-ODM
                                    source film number: 0952468, 0952470
                                    Last edited by Elaine; 01-09-12, 21:06.
                                    Elaine

                                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                    • #19
                                      Would think this Alexander

                                      1881 Census 2, (4), Bawns Buildings, Leeds
                                      GOUCHE, Alexander jobbing gardener born Ireland Lodger C1846
                                      LEEDS, Yorkshire (West riding)
                                      RG11 piece 4536 folio 73 page 8

                                      1871 Census Clotherholme, Bishopton
                                      GOUCKE, Alexander gardener boarder born Ireland c
                                      RIPON, Yorkshire
                                      RG10 piece 4277 folio 49 page 10

                                      1861 Census
                                      GOUCKE, James
                                      KIRK DEIGHTON, Yorkshire (West riding)
                                      RG09 piece 3210 folio 21 page 5

                                      the whole family are here, parents from Scotland

                                      1851 Pocklington

                                      HO107; Piece: 2357; Folio: 278; Page: 24
                                      Elaine

                                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                      • #20
                                        England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
                                        Name: James Goucke
                                        Probate Date: 28 Jan 1887
                                        Death Date: 7 Jan 1887
                                        Death Place: Yorkshire, England
                                        Registry: Wakefield
                                        Elaine

                                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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