Missing in 1841 & 1851 - and other questions

[PhotoFamily]

Edward John VEALE, born London, Sep 1826. Father John, mother died 1835.

Brother William living in Devon with an uncle.

No DOB for father John.

In 1861 he's in Bristol w/ wife, Rebecca (married 1854, London). Other census records beyond that all found.

Questions:
1) Can anyone find him in 1841 & 1851? I think he was being moved around from family to family.

2) Can anyone find his father, same years?

3) What part of London is his birthplace in 1861? I think the enumerator mis-wrote it - have a reasonable guess?

4) What's his occupation in 1871 - "Agent to Royal Liver Friendly Socy (& Money Lender)" - is that really Liver? Was it an abbreviation? Would there be surviving records of training or anything else? This is the brother of the man I asked about in a previous thread.

[Guest]

could this be him in 1851 using the name John Veale born abt 1827 London a single Shopman living in Somerset
H0107 1941 180 4

and there definitely was or is a Royal Liver Society

[Guest]

John Veale born abt 1791 Edward Veale born abt 1826
1841 ?
H0107 1083 2/42 27 living in Southwark

[PhotoFamily]

John Veale born abt 1791 Edward Veale born abt 1826
1841 ?
H0107 1083 2/42 27 living in Southwark

I like it. Still looking for 1851

and there definitely was or is a Royal Liver Society

And, yes, wikipedia has an entry for it. The "Liver" threw me off - I was trying out Diver or anything else.

[PhotoFamily]

could this be him in 1851 using the name John Veale born abt 1827 London a single Shopman living in Somerset
H0107 1941 180 4

Not sure about this one. I've only seen him referred to as Edward before, and there are more John Veales out there than I would have guessed

Thanks, Val

[PhotoFamily]

Anyone with a guess on the 1861 birthplace? Ancestry interpreted it as Danmerwitt, but I think Hammersmith is more likely?

Anyone find John Veale born 1791 in the 1851 or a death for him?

And, in the 1841, John Veale's occupation appears to be "M S"? - that would mean Man Servant?

[Guest]

looks like everybody is watching the Olympics after all ?? I must say I wouldn't have said Hammersmith myself.

[Darksecretz]

Liver is pronounced 'Lye ver' .... not 'Liv ver' as in the meat/offal... I guess the way I think of it is the Liver [lye ver] building in Liverpool...lol.. oh and the british sit com.. 'the Liver birds'... (same pronunciation)

[Darksecretz]

looks like everybody is watching the Olympics after all ?? I must say I wouldn't have said Hammersmith myself.

not me Val.. can't STAND sport. :smilee:

[Guest]

at the moment Julie its just a lot of people walking and waving little flags ??

[maudarby]

And, in the 1841, John Veale's occupation appears to be "M S"? - that would mean Man Servant?

M S Male servant F S Female servant

I think the place name begins with a D if you compare it to where the enumerator has put Do (Ditto) in the name column.
Moggie

[Darksecretz]

at the moment Julie its just a lot of people walking and waving little flags ??

yawns...lol.. have a beer!..

[PhotoFamily]

Glad some people are here!

I was thinking that the enumerator may not have known London boroughs, and couldn't read what had been written? Hammersmith seemed closest to resemble what had been written - the enumerator definitely started with a 'D'

[Darksecretz]

oooh Sarah..

there is a private tree for EJ Veale on Ancestry.. I don't think you have access to it do you?

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RequestTreeAccess.aspx?tid=13022429&pid=-9200370

[PhotoFamily]

there are many trees with EJ and his parents John & Charlotte Joyce! We don't all agree with who her parents are! ;)There are family bibles out there (yes, two pertinent ones).

[PhotoFamily]

There isn't a borough of London named Dammersmitt is there? Or anything else that's close?

[PhotoFamily]

I don't think you have access to it do you?

sub active til 8/8?/12 - found a cousin's tree and had to contact her

[Darksecretz]

There isn't a borough of London named Dammersmitt is there? Or anything else that's close?

Hammersmith is probably the closest Sarah, though I think this tree has him born in Holborn... I don't know London very well, so couldn't say if it was close or not. though definitely NOT any place called 'Dammersmitt'

[Darksecretz]

sub active til 8/8?/12 - found a cousin's tree and had to contact her

you should be able to see this, thought it is a private tree so you can still initiate contact..

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RequestTreeAccess.aspx?tid=13022429&pid=-9200370

[PhotoFamily]

Hmm, I've contacted some Veale descendants, don't think they liked my ideas...