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    Hi I'm new to this site wonder if you can help please
    From my recherch I found my G/Granddad born brelin 1816 He went by the name John Gottlieb Hermann!!!(Hoffke) he was a profesor of music
    I can find three children Dorothea and louis on 1861 cencus, Theodore through other relaions.
    The only other information I can find is on the 1841 census where I find a John Gottlieb Hermann Hoffke (music proff) with wife Louisa and son Theordore (forn Parts)
    Louisa passed away in 1958 as far as I can tell, and John remarried in 1859 without the hoffke part of the name
    I Cant find anymore Hoffke
    What I need to know, is this the same person did he move from Germany to France then to the uk if so did he change his name for a reason? I just cant work it out


    Theordore 1838 France

    Dorothea 1847

    Louis 1851

    Thank you

  • #2
    Am sure you have these but just in case

    Death
    Name: HOFFKE, Dorothea
    Registration district: St. Pancras
    Year of registration: 1846
    Oct-Nov-Dec
    Volume no: 1


    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
    Name: Louis Hermann Hoffke
    Record Type: Baptism
    Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
    Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1854
    Father's Name: John Hermann Hoffke
    Mother's name: Louisa Hoffke
    Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
    Borough: Westminster
    Register Type: Parish Registers
    Page no: 278

    have him on a passenger list as Johann


    England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
    Name: Johann Hoffke
    Port of Arrival: London, England
    Arrival Date: 27 Dec 1854
    Port of Departure: Boulogne, France
    Ship: Albion
    Country of Origin/Native of: Germany
    Elaine

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    • #3
      Have you found this listing for musicians



      and
      JULIUS HERMANN HOFFKE
      Birth:
      27 JUN 1845
      Christening:
      24 NOV 1845 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
      Parents:
      Father: HERMANN HOFFKE
      Mother: LOUISA
      Elaine

      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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      • #4
        I have a strange naming pattern in my German family

        I have Johann Paul Hubert Klein, he marries Franzisca Antonie Krauss. He calls himself Paul Krauss Klein and she is Antonie Krauss Klein. On all census returns they use the surname Klein but on all legal documents, birth certs of thier children etc they use Krauss Klein.

        When Paul's father John dies he calls himself John for a while then when their son Joseph dies at an early age Paul signs himself Paul Joseph. It's a nightmare trying to figure out who is who.
        Last edited by Frazzled; 10-06-12, 08:51.

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        • #5
          Not finding anything with regards to dropping the surname, here is the obit from the paper

          Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
          The Era (London, England), Saturday, December 3, 1898
          HERMANN,-Nov 27th, John Gottlieb Hermann, aged eighty-three, father of Louis Hermann, musical director, Grand Theatre, Hull

          Can't find them 1851
          Elaine

          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Elaine View Post
            Am sure you have these but just in case

            Death
            Name: HOFFKE, Dorothea
            Registration district: St. Pancras
            Year of registration: 1846
            Oct-Nov-Dec
            Volume no: 1


            London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
            Name: Louis Hermann Hoffke
            Record Type: Baptism
            Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
            Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1854
            Father's Name: John Hermann Hoffke
            Mother's name: Louisa Hoffke
            Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
            Borough: Westminster
            Register Type: Parish Registers
            Page no: 278

            have him on a passenger list as Johann


            England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
            Name: Johann Hoffke
            Port of Arrival: London, England
            Arrival Date: 27 Dec 1854
            Port of Departure: Boulogne, France
            Ship: Albion
            Country of Origin/Native of: Germany
            Thanks for reply
            I have seen most of the information
            I do not understand though did he drop the Hoffke at some stage because I cant find any on census after 1841
            the one for Louis he was born in 1851 according to his marrage certificate I have and on it his father is Hermann
            thanks again

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            • #7
              and the name change round...

              WAR-OFFICE, JUNE 20 .
              The Morning Post (London, England), Saturday, June 21, 1862; pg. 3
              BANKRUPTS
              Gottlieb John Hermann, Jubilee-place, Chelsea, professor of music, July 4 at 1
              Elaine

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              • #8
                Thanks for this one its new to me will be askin Grand Theatre some questions

                Thanks again

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                • #9
                  Here's one

                  Elaine

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                  • #10
                    A realy big big thankyou thats fantastic

                    Tony

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                    • #11
                      Maybe another son?

                      Franz Hermann Hoffke 1842 Q3 1 138 Marylebone

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                      • #12
                        thank you but still no Hoffke on 1851 census

                        Tony

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                        • #13
                          I think this is the family on the 1851 transcribed by Ancestry as Hoffler



                          16 Eccleston Place, St Georges Hanover Square
                          Hermann 35 Professor of Music b Prussia
                          Louisa 38 Dress maker b France
                          Theodore 12 b Middlesex
                          Dorothea 4 b Middlesex
                          Hermann 5 months b Middlesex

                          HO107, piece 1477, folio 587, page 16
                          Jackie

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                          • #14
                            Just for interest and also to explain about my wafflings on name changing!

                            John Hermann's daughter Dorothea married William George a solicitors managing clerk, in 1869, she married as Anna Dorathea L Hermann.

                            William and Anna D L George are with John and Jessey Hermann in the 1871 census.

                            In 1891 William and Anna D L George are living at 2 Franklin Terrace, Potter-Newton, Yorkshire, living with them is John G Herman (transcribed as Hermason) Prof of Music.

                            I see that John changes to the surname Hermann from the 1861 census onwards, maybe it was simply to sound less German or perhaps they decided that Hermann was easier to pronounce? I noticed on familysearch that the name Hoffke/Hofke has an umlaut over the o so without the umlaut it would sound completely different if spoken in English. Rather than have to listen to their name pronounced incorrectly they decided on Hermann? All guesses of course.
                            Last edited by Frazzled; 10-06-12, 13:05.

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                            • #15
                              Night Owl your a Star !!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              Just been to have a look thank you.
                              I can read that it's Hoffke and the same family, just wish I was 100% that its the now Hermann family I have information that it is but never 100%
                              I wish thay had thought some one would be looking for them some day, Theodore was bFrance 1838/9 puts him right age He wed a Adelaide Cataldi in 1858 I think I now need to find certificate

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                              • #16
                                thank for for the thoughts
                                I have the census for 1871 jessey was Johns son Theordore's Daughter I traced her back I think mybe the name change came after the bamkrupt
                                Thanks

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                                • #17
                                  Theodore marries as Hermann in 1858 - September, St Geo Hanover Square, 1a 410. That certificate will give you the name and occupation of his father, although I personally am sure it is the same family. It would be astonishing if it wasn't.

                                  You may never know exactly why they dropped the Hoffke name but I would imagine it is a mixture of being "too foreign" and therefore too distinctive - something to do with the bankruptcy, as you say.

                                  OC

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                                  • #18
                                    We have friends in Germany who sometimes use both their names, and sometimes just the husband's. In their case, it must be at least partly because the husband's name is very common in the village, so the joining of his wife's surname helps to distinguish them.

                                    Christine
                                    Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                                    • #19
                                      Thank you to all that have helpped
                                      I have had some really good information and now will be sending for certificates to try and put things together

                                      Tony Hermann was Hoffke

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                                      • #20
                                        Thanks for info I have just got certificate and you were right, thought I would let you know looking more and more like I started of as Hoffke


                                        Thanks for your time and help

                                        Tony Hermann/Hoffke

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