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do shoemaker's and weaver's have apprenticship records?

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  • do shoemaker's and weaver's have apprenticship records?

    my ancestor was a shoemaker, in the late 18th, and early 19th century. i cannot find a birth for him under morton, and have found a birth under martin, which is a separate, but similar surname. the father was a weaver. this is bethnal green/shoreditch. so i am not anywhere near sure this is all correct, but do apprenticeship records exist for weaver's and shoemakers?

  • #3
    thanx fuzzy, i can't see anything helpful though. only a few entries for london.

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    • #4
      My Morton gran ended up with Murton but when checking things she was really a Murton
      borobabs passed away March 2018

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      • #5
        Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
        thanx fuzzy, i can't see anything helpful though. only a few entries for london.
        Ah, what a shame, sorry couldn't be of more help
        KAREN xx

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        • #6
          I think Richard might be a good source of info for London weavers. Many weavers were French/Huguenots. He seems to have access to many records.

          Familysearch has many London weaver records:
          familysearch.org/search/search/index/catalog-search#searchType=catalog&filtered=true&fed=false& collectionId=&catSearchType=keywords&searchCriteri a=london+weaver&placeName=&author_givenName=&autho r_surname=

          British origins has indexed many Companies' apprenticeship records - but NOT weavers. I have yet to wade into those waters. That's the next generation back.
          Last edited by PhotoFamily; 17-05-12, 14:17.

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          • #7
            i'm not 100% that the original surname was martin. the first ancestor i have crops up in 1800 marrying. the family was enumerated in one census as martin, apart from that, for the last 212 years, it has been morton. i am wondering if the name was martin pre 1800, as there are only 2 births that can fit, and both are as martin. either that, or my man was born in a westminster parish that is not online yet. i don't think there is any huguenot blood either.

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            • #8
              thanx for the tip photo, i saw a few titles for books there. but nothing i could actually search.

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              • #9
                And I just remembered:
                I have pulled at least one weaver freedom or apprenticeship record from Ancestry's London Freedom records. Not sure, but may also have found one in the tax record, too.

                By 1800 my direct ancestor was a fishmonger. The previous generations were weavers.
                Last edited by PhotoFamily; 17-05-12, 15:08.

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                • #10
                  thanx sarah. i've tried searching on ancestry! my man for sure was a shoemaker, his father if i'm correct with the name change was a weaver. not unusal i guess. but my ancestor's son was a coach trimmer, and grandson a grocer haha.

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                  • #11
                    I've only found a relatively small amount of my weavers being admitted to the city trade guilds, which the above records relate to, perhaps around 1 in 4. Obviously it was a skilled profession and they would have all undertaken some sort of apprenticeship, but not neccesarily in the trade guilds. The reason the French community originally based their weaving operations in Spitalfields outside the city, was partly because of that, so they could operate outside the guild and undercut it's members, which produced some ill feeling, though they eventually became more actively involved.
                    Last edited by Richard; 18-05-12, 16:12.

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                    • #12
                      thanx for the info richard. i'm sure there is no french blood. the surname job may be my man's mother, but i suspect that could be more jewish than anything.

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                      • #13
                        I have many weavers in my ancestry, pre 1850 and as far as I can tell, they worked at home in what was basically a cottage industry. The whole family was involved including the smallest children and although some skill was certainly required, my lot don't appear to have been apprenticed, just learned by "sitting next to Nelly" as the saying goes!

                        They were involved in weaving rough home spun fabrics and woollens, not high end luxury fabrics.

                        OC

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                        • #14
                          that makes sense oc. my ancestor's son was a coach trimmer in st anne soho, i had wondered if maybe he did something for the royal family based on the proximity of buckingham palace.

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                          • #15
                            A lovely thought Kyle, but coaches were two a penny back then, everyone had one and I am quite sure there would have been a specialised "Coachmaker to the Queen" lol.

                            OC

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                            • #16
                              haha very true.

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