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**HeleninGlos** · 16-05-12, 05:52

Just to let you know that Coxhorne Farm is in Charlton Kings, right on the eastern outskirts of Cheltenham. It is still there now, on the A40 heading out of town towards Oxford.

**HeleninGlos** · 16-05-12, 05:59

Here they are in 1891 Class: RG12; Piece: 2046; Folio: 79; Page: 6; GSU roll: 6097156.
Benhall Farm, Gloucester Road, Cheltenham

Robert T 40 b Cheltenham
Laura Ann 44 b Charlton Kings
Robert Chas 17 b Charlton Kings
William Hy 45 (mistransciption I think should be 15) b Charlton Kings
Kate B 10 b Charlton Kings
Thomas Jas 8 b Churchdown
Edith F 6 b Churchdown

**jood** · 16-05-12, 06:51

Thank you so much Helen, and also for letting me know the farm was still there. This family (Burgess) actually owned "The Nursery" (I think it was in London Road) Cheltenham, - I did visit there 1999 but "The Nursery" had long gone.

**Elizabeth Herts** · 16-05-12, 06:53

1891 for James Ward Burgess. He's with Henry:

1891 Census
CHELTENHAM, Gloucestershire
RG12 piece 2041 folio 21 page 35

Address: Bromery Cottage, Rosedale, Charlton Kings

BURGESS, Henry Head Single M 35 1856 Nurseryman Charlton Kings
BURGESS, Mary Sister Single F 42 1849 Housekeeper Charlton Kings
BURGESS, James W Brother Single M 33 1858 Nurseryman Charlton Kings
HUDSON, Elizabeth Sister Married F 52 1839 Imbecile Marylebone

Note the poor sister.

**jood** · 16-05-12, 07:02

Thank you Elizabeth - finding them altogether - they seemed to stay together most of the time.

Yes, poor Elizabeth - but she did marry, aged about 32 lol. That poor family had a lot of problems.

Wonder what we would class as an imbecile these days (just to put it in perspective)

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 07:42

Here's James in 1891 RG12; Piece: 2041; Folio: 21; Page: 35; GSU roll: 6097151. Bramory? Cottage, near Charlton Place, Charlton Kings , Holy Apostle parish

Henry Burgess 35
Mary Burgess 42
James W Burgess 33
Elizabeth Hudson 52

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 07:45

Oops! too late.

I expect imbeciles could be anything from a person who was deaf and mute, to someone with mild learning difficulties and all less able people in between.

Margaret

**jood** · 16-05-12, 07:46

Thanks Margaret,

I'm all up to date now except the last one

1911 Census for Henry Burgess (52yo in 1901), b 1856
- and living in 21 Eckleston Road, Parish of Ealing Middlesex in 1901, although prior to that, from birth, he was living in Cheltenham, or Charlton Kings, Glos. He also was a nurseryman/gardener. No death date tho.

Thanks again.

**jood** · 16-05-12, 07:51

I'm wondering how she got around to getting married tho Margaret lol

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 08:42

Originally posted by jood View Post

I'm wondering how she got around to getting married tho Margaret lol

Well maybe she was a lovely person, kind and helpful and merely couldn't speak - good attribute for a man looking for a wife!! LOL

I'll have a look for that 1911 on now.

Margaret

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 08:50

Can't see Henry on the 1911 at the moment but will continue looking.

Did see probate for James Ward Burgess who died 1893 - have you got the details?

Margaret

**jood** · 16-05-12, 09:34

Re James Ward Burgess -I thought I did have his probate/will, but no - I have the coronial enquiry. He died a terrible death,) - they say self-inflicted, but I think its unbelievable he would kill himself the way he did.

So Henry wasn't anywhere in Glos or Middlesex?

His brother Joseph has been missing since 1851 Census. He must have died soon after. He was born in 1850

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 09:47

Found him! look at the mistranscription!! RG14PN6886 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED19 SN296

BURGEGS, Henry Head Married 18 years M 51 1860 Carrage Contractor Charton Kings Glos
BURGEGS, Frances Elizabeth Wife Married F 47 1864 Haxey Lincolnshire
HUDRON, Elizabeth Sister Widow F 72 1839 St Marylebone London

23 Eccleston Rd Ealing

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 09:49

Originally posted by jood View Post

Re James Ward Burgess -I thought I did have his probate/will, but no - I have the coronial enquiry. He died a terrible death,) - they say self-inflicted, but I think its unbelievable he would kill himself the way he did.

So Henry wasn't anywhere in Glos or Middlesex?

His brother Joseph has been missing since 1851 Census. He must have died soon after. He was born in 1850

One of mine died by drinking Prussic acid - which must have been a horrendous death.

I can send a copy of the probate index entry if you send me your email by PM.

Margaret

**Chrissie Smiff** · 16-05-12, 09:59

What site did you find that on Margaret? I think Ancestry need a pat on the back after all the critisicisms we give them. They've got the transcription right but if you look at the original I can understand the problem:D Also, they haven't listed any children born. Didn't they have any?

**jood** · 16-05-12, 10:09

Yes, a lot of bad transcriptions BURGEGS, Carrage, Charton, Hudron lol Its a wonder you found him.

So that was Henry in 1911? He finally got himself married !! (at 62)

Congratulations Margaret!

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 10:31

I think this might be Joseph in 1861 RG 9; Piece: 1795; Folio: 7; Page: 7; It's a school in Prestbury - just down the road from Charlton Kings.

Joseph Burgess
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Prestbury
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

There are also what look like 2 brothers there:- Charles age 14 and William age 9.

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 10:35

Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post

What site did you find that on Margaret? I think Ancestry need a pat on the back after all the critisicisms we give them. They've got the transcription right but if you look at the original I can understand the problem:D Also, they haven't listed any children born. Didn't they have any?

I did an address search and fortunately they were still at their 1901 address.

No children shown as born.
Margaret

**margaretmarch** · 16-05-12, 10:39

Here's Joseph in 1871 RG10; Piece: 2659; Folio: 25; Page: 5;

Joseph Burgess
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Burgess
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Burgess
Gender: Male
Where born: Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire, England

Charles Burgess 56
Elizabeth Burgess 58
Elizabeth Burgess 32
Mary Burgess 22
Joseph Burgess 21
William Burgess 19
Henry Burgess 15
James Ward Burgess 13
Emma Bayles 18

Keep meaning to say my great grandmother lived in Charlton Kings around this time so no doubt bought some garden stuff from your relatives. LOL

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