Master 'Frand' Smith

[LaurenS1990]

Hi all,

I have a copy of a 1911 census that I got from FMP (can't find it on Ancestry) and I am really struggling to read a name!!

It has been transcribed as Frand Smith but I cannot find any records under that name (don't even think it is a name).

1911Census-RG14-08-1-46-08146_0185_03.jpg

Can anyone read it please? I think that there is an apostrophe after the first letter but not sure?? Confused!

[Elaine ..Spain]

Well it does look like F'rand - but I can't see any birth registrations which look as if they might fit.

[herky]

Can you tell us the address or area please.
Thanks.

[LaurenS1990]

These are the details for that census

RG number:RG14
Piece:8146
Reference:RG14PN8146 RG78PN413 RD153 SD1 ED5 SN92

Registration District:Oxford
Sub District:Oxford
Enumeration District:5
Parish:St Aldate
Address:37 Lake ST
County: Oxfordshire

[Elaine ..Spain]

Lauren, have you looked at the census entry on the previous page - if you are viewing on FMP then you need to go back two pages.
There is another Smith family there and the head of the household is Frank. The F is written with what I would describe as an additional stroke to it, which is almost identical to the apostrophe on your entry.
I think what we are seeing as an apostrophe on your entry is just the way the letter F has been written.

Doesn't help find him in the birth registration though!

[Chrissie Smiff]

Does it say where he was born Elaine? I'm wondering about Ferdinand?

[maudarby]

Oxfordshire is one of the counties that hasn't yet been transcribed on Ancestry.
Moggie

[Elaine ..Spain]

A link to the Ancestry image

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=2352&path=Oxfordshire.St+Aldate.ALL.05.186&sid=&gskw=

[herky]

I can find it on FMP - 1911 census - but no luck with a birth reg - just Francis and Fredericks.

[LangleyValeSue]

It's not 'Franck' is it?

[Elaine ..Spain]

I think the census form for the entry we are looking at and the Smith family on the previous page have been filled out by the same person. There is a Frank on the previous page which is written quite clearly.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Most likely one to match the marriage is Francis William J Smith born Oxford March 1910 3a 1015

p.s. I doesn't look like Francis though does it. It was the only F birth that came up in Oxford where they got married and lived at the time though.

[Chrissie Smiff]

No help I know but it looks as though they may have gone on to have 4 more children between 1913 to 1921 in Headington

[maudarby]

A link to the Ancestry image
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/...186&sid=&gskw=

Hi Elaine
Looks like I was wrong about Oxfordshire.
I clicked on the drop down menu for counties & Oxfordshire wasn't included.
Moggie

[Elaine ..Spain]

Hi Elaine
Looks like I was wrong about Oxfordshire.
I clicked on the drop down menu for counties & Oxfordshire wasn't included.
Moggie

You are right in that Oxfordshire hasn't been indexed yet - I found the page by searching the images using the census reference.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I just thought I would have a look for Jesse's birth and find him with his family to see if it gave any clues and his fathers name was Francis!! I wonder if it could be the Francis birth after all?

[Elaine ..Spain]

It does seem the most likely one Chrissie.

[JudithM]

Do any of you have the same problem as me that when trying to write particularly neatly I am more likely to make silly spelling errors? My theory is the person filling in the return was trying to write Frank (short for Francis) and didn't spot that he'd put a d instead of a k.

[Chrissie Smiff]

The problem being Elaine that I have just discovered his father was actually Francis Frederic !!

[Chrissie Smiff]

There are two other possibilities if Daisy went back home to have him (she was born in Headington, Oxfordshire). Dec 1909 Frederick Arthur - Headington 3a 1030 and March 1910 Frederick Henry - Headington 3a 1004