Does this marriage exist?

[Guest]

Samuel E Keen born 1839 Bethnal Green a Twine Spinner or Rope Maker Here he is in 1861

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&h=5675615&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6112365795_kpidz0q3d6112365795z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

cannot find him either single or married in 1871 or his marriage to a Jane born abt 1840 in Shoreditch they are married in the 1881 Census?
here they are in 1881

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=15459513&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6112365795_kpidz0q3d6112365795z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

Thanks

[Chrissie Smiff]

I have to go now Val and I haven't had time to research this thoroughly but thought I would mention what I've found so far as a vague possibility. There is a marriage in June 1865 in Bethnal Green 1c 612 but he is just listed as Samuel Keen and a female missing on the page. There is also a Jane Amelia Elsen listed under the same details with a man missing on the page. I couldn't find a birth for Jane Amelia under Elsen but I looked for Jane Amelia births from Sept 1837 to Dec 1840 and there is a Jane Amelia Easom born Sept 1840 St Pancras ref 1 234 that I thought looked similar. I haven't had time to look for possible deaths/marriages for this lady though but didn't want to go without getting it down in case.

[Chrissie Smiff]

p.s. Couldn't resist a quick look but cant see a death or marriage for this lady.

[Elizabeth Herts]

I have to go now Val and I haven't had time to research this thoroughly but thought I would mention what I've found so far as a vague possibility. There is a marriage in June 1865 in Bethnal Green 1c 612 but he is just listed as Samuel Keen and a female missing on the page. There is also a Jane Amelia Elsen listed under the same details with a man missing on the page. I couldn't find a birth for Jane Amelia under Elsen but I looked for Jane Amelia births from Sept 1837 to Dec 1840 and there is a Jane Amelia Easom born Sept 1840 St Pancras ref 1 234 that I thought looked similar. I haven't had time to look for possible deaths/marriages for this lady though but didn't want to go without getting it down in case.

It doesn't look like that marriage, Chrissie, unfortunately:

Name: KEEN, Samuel
Registration district: Bethnal Green
County: London
Year of registration: 1865
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 1C
Page no: 612
Pontin, Charlotte
Warner, Emma
Dodd, Alfred

[Chrissie Smiff]

Thanks Elizabeth Back to the drawing board tomorrow then if nothing is found in the meantime

[Guest]

is that you snoring Chrissie ? thanks for trying and thanks Elizabeth

[Christine in Herts]

Just for clarification, the 1865 marriage was Samuel KEEN to Emma WARNER.

Christine

[Christine in Herts]

Is there any reason to suppose that the Jane to whom he is married is different from the 21-yr-old Jane NIXON, b Bethnal Green, who seems to be in the same 1861 household with a 1-yr-old daughter, also called Jane? At this stage, there's no proff, of course, but it would be worth trying it out?

Christine

[Christine in Herts]

I've had a go at looking, but not had any joy, I'm afraid. I daren't spend any more time - supposed to be getting ready to go on holiday!

Christine

[Guest]

Thanks Christine yes I did see her but couldn't find a marriage ? some people on Ancestry have him marrying a Jane Sarah Parsons? but cannot find a marriage for her either ?
Are you going somewhere nice ? have a lovely time.

[Guest]

Well looks like Christine was right about the Jane Nixon ? but still cannot find a marriage am beginning to think they never married .
Found her with her daughter also Jane and Samuel in 1871

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&h=12265996&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6112377323_kpidz0q3d6112377323z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

[Chrissie Smiff]

I can't see a likely marriage for them either Val, can you?

[Guest]

no Chrissie I did wonder if they married a lot later on they seem to change their name from Keen to King too ? thanks for trying.

[Christine in Herts]

Glad to see you're making some progress - if step-by-step, and accompanied by queries!

We're in France at the moment. Stayed in a great hotel in the Champagne area last night, and have a couple of nights here, just to the east of Grenoble, before driving on to the Piedmont, in northern Italy. We have a few nights in Italy, before travelling back up through France, with a longish stay at our friends' B&B almost on the Dordogne.

Christine

[Guest]

making me jealous Christine ,yes made quite a bit of progress have got Janes death ,now am adding the 7 kids I have found so far and their records .