Don't know how to sort this out! Please help

[Debbss]

Hello
I have deleted most of my tree and I think I need to start again. Can someone please help me determine the parentage of my Grandfather as I have looked at so many Phillips records I am now very confused.

Robert Broughton 1912-1944

His parents:

William Broughton 1873-1935
Mary Partlett 1867-1935

Williams Parents:

William E Broughton 1844
Mary Ann Phillips 1846

I think Mary Ann Phillips father is James but the big problem I am having is deciding/determining which one as there seems to be hundreds of them and I keep getting it wrong and then it throws all of my information out!

I hope someone can help me

Many thanks
Debs

[Guest]

born where? and occupations

[Guest]

so far is this right
William Edward Broughton a Tailor marries Mary Ann Emma Phillips in 1865 Bethnal Green
accordng to 1871 he is born in Leicester she in Middlesex

[Debbss]

Robert Broughton 1912-1944
Born greater London.
His parents:

William Broughton 1873-1935 - Born 14 Collingwood St, Bethnal Green. Wood Turner
Mary Partlett 1867-1935 - Born 40 Old Gravel Lane, London Docks. Match Factory Worker

Williams Parents:

William E Broughton 1844 - Born Bethnal Green, Wood Turner
Mary Ann Phillips 1846 - Born Bermondsey

Thanks Val ;)

[Debbss]

Hmmmm!! Now I am really confused!

I have an 1871 where he is still On Collingwood St, His name is misspelt as Braughton.

Collingwood St is right for our family, unless its another William?

[Guest]

on that marriage Mary Ann Emma's Father is James a Home Keeper ,mother Ann
Williams Father is John a Turner ?

[Guest]

different Broughton then ?

[Debbss]

Yes and I think it says James on the Banns, but then I struggle as there seem to be so many James - I followed one called James Ingram Phillips but I am as certain as I can be that he is not correct, and then I found loads of James and got all mixed up!

[Guest]

both Bride and Groom have their address as Collingwood Terrace ??

[Guest]

Witnesses Edmund Phillips and Ellen Broughton

[Debbss]

Yes! It must be where I get my lack of morals from! Lol!

[Debbss]

Yes thats the same as I've got, I havent worked out who they are yet though, working on that!

[margaretmarch]

Have you got the marriage certificate for Mary Ann and William E ? If so what are their father's names and occupations?

Have you found any birth registrations for them?

Margaret

[Debbss]

Mary Anns father is James, a Horse Keeper
William e's is John, a Turner

No I dont have birth certs, just the registrations.
The baptisms say:
William E parents John and Mary Ann, Turner
Mary parents John and Ann, I think it also says ?? Turner, I can't quite make it out

[Debbss]

Which James do you think is her father?

[Chrissie Smiff]

If you are sure you have the right Mary A Phillips Debs this one looks a good bet in 1861 as father James is a Horse Keeper -

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_228_230-0878&fn=Mary+A&ln=Phillips&st=r&ssrc=&pid=5499619

[Chrissie Smiff]

And here they are in 1851 - but James is a Labourers bricklayer -

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1517_1518-0069&fn=Mary+Ana&ln=Phillips&st=r&ssrc=&pid=2780957

[Harrys mum]

If you are absolutely certain Robert's parents are William and Mary, then, as Margaret says, you really can't go too much further without that marriage cert. Just make sure you only buy it from GRO.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I don't think you've told us exactly what certs you have Debs and how you got back to William E and Mary Ann?

[kylejustin]

i think you need the births for all these people. i assume you have the christening's and that's where you got addresses from?