During my research I recently came across the following marriage:
Timothy Debouck & Elizabeth Grandshaw 12 Apr 1824 St Matthews', Bethnal Green, Middlesex.
Further research showed this Timothy to be a son of William Debock & Susannah Blumson born 1 Oct 1803 Shoreditch.
This rung a bell for me as I know WDYTYA featured the Debocks as part of the actress Julia Sawalha's programme some time ago now. Was not sure if there was a link, but having the DVD box set I re-watched the episode, and sure enough William Debock & Susannah Blumson were also her ancestors (6 x great grandparents). The program stated William's father was Peter Dubock, with the researcher saying 'we think' he was born in 1723. On that apparent assumption they then traced back a further two generations to Peter 1723's grandfather Daniel Dubock a refugee from Luneray, Normandy.
Here's the spanner in the works. William was indeed the son of a Peter, but there were two candidates knocking about for Peter, the one they went with baptised 1723 to Pierre Debock and Esther Tevelin in the French Church, and one baptised a little later to Isaac Debock and Anne Hearn baptised 1730 St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney (Father a Weaver of Bethnal Green).
An examination of Peter Debock shows he was married four times. First to Ann Lebeau (5 Nov 1751 St Dunstan's Stepney), 3 children Susan 1752, George 1757, Ann 1758. First wife died 1759, he then remarried to Ann Bodwin (16 Jul 1760 Christchurch, Spitalfields), 3 children Peter John 1761, Elizabeth 1763, John 1765. Second wife died 1767, he then remarried Ann Lacken (28 Jun 1768 St George the Mayrtr, Southwark), 1 child Mary 1769. Finally remarried to Mary Battaille (29 Sep 1770 St George the Mayrtr, Southwark) and had a further 7 children William 1773 (Julia Sawalha and Timothy's ancestor), Peter 1774, Mary Ann 1775, James 1777, Peter 1778, Matthew 1781, Peter 1786.
I was at first skeptical whether this was same man, but all children were baptised Bethnal Green, with him noted as a weaver, the last three marriages do all note him as widowed, he signed the register in each instance and to me the signatures appear to match. In addition his first wife's brother Timothy Lebeau witnesses the last two marriages.
Now what first got my mind ticking was Ann Lebeau was born 11 Oct 1731 (baptised as Ann Judith Lebeau) which age wise would match more the 1730 Peter/Pierre Debock then the 1723. Ok not conclusive in itself, but then checking through the French Hospital Records his daughter Ann 1758, was an inmate there from 1833 to her death in 1838. On her petition she describes herself as "fille de Pierre Duboc, & petite fille de Isaac Duboc" i.e daughter of Pierre/Peter, grandaughter of Isaac! This would appear to be confirmation the show traced the wrong man.
I suspect they had an inkling of this, as the program added 'all East End Dubocks, ultimately descend from Daniel' as if to cover themselves...trouble is this isn't true either.
Peter 1730's father Isaac was baptised 1696 in Canterbury Kent, the Huguenot Society's records show he was bought to London by his parents Charles Duboc and Marthe Mallandin in Dec 1703. Charles and Marthe were from Normandy, like Daniel followed in the show, but part of the Lintot Temple congregation 30 miles or so to the south. The Lintot Temple's records show Charles was born in the village of Houquetot 1657 to Abraham Debock and Jeanne Martin. The Luneray Temple records shows Daniel Dubock born Gruchet St Siméon 1668 to Daniel Dubock and Judith Letellier, about 40 miles away. Given that the name is the French equivilant to 'Woods' and not that uncommon, I'm not convinced any link exists between the two.
Now I don't suppose it matters much, Ms Sawalha's ancestors were Huguenots, and were Dubocks, were from Normandy. But I had always assumed with the shows resources the research would be very thorough and am quite surprised they seem to have missed this.
Timothy Debouck & Elizabeth Grandshaw 12 Apr 1824 St Matthews', Bethnal Green, Middlesex.
Further research showed this Timothy to be a son of William Debock & Susannah Blumson born 1 Oct 1803 Shoreditch.
This rung a bell for me as I know WDYTYA featured the Debocks as part of the actress Julia Sawalha's programme some time ago now. Was not sure if there was a link, but having the DVD box set I re-watched the episode, and sure enough William Debock & Susannah Blumson were also her ancestors (6 x great grandparents). The program stated William's father was Peter Dubock, with the researcher saying 'we think' he was born in 1723. On that apparent assumption they then traced back a further two generations to Peter 1723's grandfather Daniel Dubock a refugee from Luneray, Normandy.
Here's the spanner in the works. William was indeed the son of a Peter, but there were two candidates knocking about for Peter, the one they went with baptised 1723 to Pierre Debock and Esther Tevelin in the French Church, and one baptised a little later to Isaac Debock and Anne Hearn baptised 1730 St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney (Father a Weaver of Bethnal Green).
An examination of Peter Debock shows he was married four times. First to Ann Lebeau (5 Nov 1751 St Dunstan's Stepney), 3 children Susan 1752, George 1757, Ann 1758. First wife died 1759, he then remarried to Ann Bodwin (16 Jul 1760 Christchurch, Spitalfields), 3 children Peter John 1761, Elizabeth 1763, John 1765. Second wife died 1767, he then remarried Ann Lacken (28 Jun 1768 St George the Mayrtr, Southwark), 1 child Mary 1769. Finally remarried to Mary Battaille (29 Sep 1770 St George the Mayrtr, Southwark) and had a further 7 children William 1773 (Julia Sawalha and Timothy's ancestor), Peter 1774, Mary Ann 1775, James 1777, Peter 1778, Matthew 1781, Peter 1786.
I was at first skeptical whether this was same man, but all children were baptised Bethnal Green, with him noted as a weaver, the last three marriages do all note him as widowed, he signed the register in each instance and to me the signatures appear to match. In addition his first wife's brother Timothy Lebeau witnesses the last two marriages.
Now what first got my mind ticking was Ann Lebeau was born 11 Oct 1731 (baptised as Ann Judith Lebeau) which age wise would match more the 1730 Peter/Pierre Debock then the 1723. Ok not conclusive in itself, but then checking through the French Hospital Records his daughter Ann 1758, was an inmate there from 1833 to her death in 1838. On her petition she describes herself as "fille de Pierre Duboc, & petite fille de Isaac Duboc" i.e daughter of Pierre/Peter, grandaughter of Isaac! This would appear to be confirmation the show traced the wrong man.
I suspect they had an inkling of this, as the program added 'all East End Dubocks, ultimately descend from Daniel' as if to cover themselves...trouble is this isn't true either.
Peter 1730's father Isaac was baptised 1696 in Canterbury Kent, the Huguenot Society's records show he was bought to London by his parents Charles Duboc and Marthe Mallandin in Dec 1703. Charles and Marthe were from Normandy, like Daniel followed in the show, but part of the Lintot Temple congregation 30 miles or so to the south. The Lintot Temple's records show Charles was born in the village of Houquetot 1657 to Abraham Debock and Jeanne Martin. The Luneray Temple records shows Daniel Dubock born Gruchet St Siméon 1668 to Daniel Dubock and Judith Letellier, about 40 miles away. Given that the name is the French equivilant to 'Woods' and not that uncommon, I'm not convinced any link exists between the two.
Now I don't suppose it matters much, Ms Sawalha's ancestors were Huguenots, and were Dubocks, were from Normandy. But I had always assumed with the shows resources the research would be very thorough and am quite surprised they seem to have missed this.
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