Anyone from Norfolk know what this place is supposed to be, can't find anything on Google. My ancestor Elizabeth Bell , born there on the 1871 census. Her hubby born Banham, no problem.
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Hi, just found the marriage, looks like she had the first son when she was unmarried. On the 1871 she has a Henry Tye aged 9 with them.
County Norfolk
Place East Harling
Church St Peter and St Paul
RegisterNumber 244
MarriageDate 10 Oct 1863
GroomForename Robert
GroomSurname BELL
GroomAge 29
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation blacksmith
GroomAbode East Harling
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname TYE
BrideAge 21
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode East Harling
GroomFatherForename Charles
GroomFatherSurname BELL
GroomFatherOccupation Blacksmith
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Samuel
WitnessOneSurname SAYER
WitnessTwoForename Elizabeth
WitnessTwoSurname WIX
Notes both signed
FileNumber 10222
Yes, she had the son Henry when she was unmarried:
County Norfolk
Place East Harling
Church St Peter and St Paul
RegisterNumber 880
DateOfBirth 21 Nov 1861
BaptismDate 09 Feb 1862
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname
MotherSurname TYE
Abode Harling
FatherOccupation
Notes illegitimate
FileNumber 10201
Baps for the three Bell kids:
Baptisms 30 Dec 1864 BELL Alfred Thomas Norfolk East Harling Mother Surname
4 Baptisms 19 Dec 1869 BELL Ellen Norfolk East Harling Mother Surname
5 Baptisms 19 Dec 1869 BELL Rosetta Norfolk East Harling Mother Surname
Her birth reg
Births Mar 1841
Tye Elizabeth Guiltcross 13 162
In 1861 she is a lodger with the Dodd family (mistranscribed as Tyce)
Thanks Heather, did you notice that Harry Tye was registered as Harry Bell Tye,Dec Q 1861 , he used the name Bell after he married. I wondered if that was Elizabeth as Eliza in the Workhouse n 1851, looks like her parents had died. And thanks you have just given me Robert's father who I believed to be Charles.
sunny
Last edited by Sunny Rosy; 16-02-12, 21:07.
Reason: to add
Theres also an Ellen Tye aged 4 born Shelfanger who is in the workhouse sunny
Oh just found an Elizabeth Tye aged 10 I wonder if thats a mistake on the 1841(10 days??) with an Eliza Tye aged 20??? in the same workhouse.(it says shelfanger next to them in margin) Well, looks like she was illegitimate.
Heather I've just found a death for an Eliza Tye in Guiltcross Mar Qtr 1851, this might be Elizabeths Mum, I think I will chance it and send for the death cert, that might be why Elizabeth is on her own on the 1851,poor girl.
Isnt it sad. It comes to life for you sometimes doesnt it. I reckon that is her aged 10 days in the 1841 with her 20 year old mum. Is that girl Ellen her sister do you think?
The Ellen girl, born shelfanger in the workhouse 1851 goes on to marry a man called Day. The marriage apparently gives a George Tye, labourer as father? May be Eliza did marry and George was split from them in the workhouse? Or may be its just a cover for being illegitimate. Remember the Shelfanger/Diss area is very close to the Suffolk border when you do research on them.
I found Ellen (born 1949 here) on a family tree on Ancestry but apart from saying her dad was George at the marriage, I couldn't tie her into my tree. Still looking for Caroline after 1851, although i did see a death for a Caroline in 1852, that might be her.
Ellen is 4 years old when she is in the Workhouse at same time as Eliza, so born 1847?
Oh bless, I didnt even notice Caroline, poor little devil, 1 year old and in the workhouse. Probably born there I spose. I wonder if the Norfolk records office would have the workhouse records for you? Yes, looks like its her dying.
Oh, now thats interesting - ??ame: Caroline Tye
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1850
Registration district: Mildenhall
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 13
Page: 486
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