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**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 08:36

hello Jen,

did they have any children born after 1837? if they did, then a birth cert for one of them will give Elizabeths maiden name.

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 08:53

ah I see that John Oliver was the last child born in 1836 thats a pity..

**Nightryder** · 26-01-12, 10:19

That would have been too easy, I have the marriage cert for their daughter Jemima Adelaide, I had hoped the witnesse's might have given me a clue but they were Matthias & Mary Cox Jemima's sister & Brother in law.
jen

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 10:27

I had a look and tracked James & Elizabeth thru the census, and not a lot of information is forthcoming is it? I also saw the marriages, and they are not very helpful are they?

I wonder, have you looked at the 'other' couple? and tracked them thru the census, maybe that one of the parents were living with them later in life.. or a sibling, that might tie the family to the other Elizabeth..

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 10:29

oh, another thought, what about wills? did any of the family leave any/or mention other family members?

**Mary from Italy** · 26-01-12, 13:27

Hi Jen,

I don't have access to the actual registers, but I do have the next-best thing, which is the Leicestershire marriage index 1801-1837, which has the following entry:

Clarke James / Elizabeth Rhodes / L / 1815 / LaW
(entered as Warren instead of Rhodes in register in error. Note by entry.)

L means married by licence; the actual licence should be available from the Leics. Record office in Wigston if you want it.
There's a list of parish abbreviations, but LaW isn't in it. They have LaC for Church Langton, LaH for Thorpe Langton and LaT for Tur Langton.

I assume LaW means West Langton.

Information about the Langtons from Genuki:

GENUKI: Towns and Parishes in LEICESTERSHIRE, Leicestershire

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LEI/Parishes.html#L

Towns and Parishes in LEICESTERSHIRE Leicestershire genealogy

**Janet in Yorkshire** · 26-01-12, 15:47

Nice one, Mary - isn't it amazing what useful "bits" people have to hand? I love this site!

Jay

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 16:01

brilliant Mary, now at least Jen can go back with the RHODES side of things..

**Mary from Italy** · 26-01-12, 16:57

I see there are two likely baptisms for Elizabeth on the new familysearch site: one in Church Langton (East & West) and one at St. Margaret's, Leicester. The second one is the most likely to be correct, because on one of the censuses she gives her birthplace as St. Margaret's.

If you get the marriage licence, it isn't likely to give the parents' names, unless one or both parties were under age, but it should give the spouses' ages, parishes and occupations. I must say, though, that I've found ages given on marriage licences a bit suspect sometimes.

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 17:08

might there be marriage bonds as well then Mary? (am not sure when/what era of time these were used upto)

**Mary from Italy** · 26-01-12, 17:38

Yes, they have a card index at Wigston with the details, and the actual documents are on microfilm.
I can never remember the correct terminology; I think what they have is actually marriage bonds and allegations.

**Darksecretz** · 26-01-12, 20:03

yes I think you are right there Mary, I remember when I went I did have a look at some as I thought that they were connected to my RIPPINS/RIPPONS, but I still didnt get very far with them, so much to look at and so little time..

**Nightryder** · 26-01-12, 23:38

Darksecretz, Thank you for your help, im going through the wills & probate on ancestry, lots of James Clarkes in leicester.
Mary, Thank you for that YAY I now know her maiden name, Ive found her birth in 1790 on my St Margarets parish records father Samuel, mother Alice,on the 1851 census Elizabeth gives her age as 57 which gives a birth year of c1794 & on the 1861 she gives her age as 68 giving a birth year of c1793, its a few years difference, does it matter, the only other record I could find was for an Emma Elizabeth Rhodes christ 5th July 1878 Father Joseph Mother Matilda. Jen

**kylejustin** · 27-01-12, 06:20

what year was the second elizabeth? 1878 doesn't seem right. do any of the possible parents names carry down the family? that would help me with the family.

**Nightryder** · 27-01-12, 06:47

Hi kylejustin, The 2nd Elizabeth is way to late, I only mentioned her because she is the only other Elizabeth Rhodes I found in the Parish register, Non of the names have carried down to any of the children.
Jen

**kylejustin** · 27-01-12, 07:37

mary said she would go with the elizabeth rhodes born in st margarets leicester, as that was what your elizabeth gave for a birthplace. maybe you should look into her family and see if you can rule her out?

**Darksecretz** · 27-01-12, 07:44

Jen,

I have just had a thought, we have several members here that goto Leicester RO, maybe if you PM one of them they might be able to help you?

you could try Mike, I know he has done lookups before now. http://www.familytreeforum.com/priva...o=newpm&u=1230

he may be able to have a look at 'marriage bonds & allegations' esp if James/Elizabeth were married my Licence.

**Nightryder** · 27-01-12, 08:40

kylejustin,im looking now for both Elizabeths to see if I can rule 1 out
Darksecretz Thank you, Ive sent Mike a message.
Jen

**Darksecretz** · 27-01-12, 09:08

No probs Jen, I know he hasnt been onsite much lately, but, he doesnt usually post, just does lookups for people. please let me know how you get on.

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