Does this mean she does have the Fathers surname?

[Guest]

Isabella Gorrie Birth.jpgit says Illigitimate but am assuming the Father let her have his name?

[Ann from Sussex]

Were Isabella Gorrie her first names perhaps? How are the other entries on the page written? Just first names or with surname? My father had an illegitimate cousin who was given his father's surname as his second name but he had his unmarried mother's surname. Also, one set of my 4xgt grandparents didn't get married until days before their 4th child was born. The first three were entered in the parish register with their mother's surname but, like your example, their father named as their father.

[fran]

It looks like it to me.Wouldn't a surname have to be recorded?

[Dubonnet lady]

I would say so Val.

My mother's birth cert reads like that - but in fact the chap never married grandma - she married someone else some time later. (And I can't find much detail on my real g'father :( But mother took his surname.

[Anne in Carlisle]

On an English Birth Cert the child's names are JUST the forenames. There is no surname for the child on the certificate. Also the father of an illegitimate child had to be present WITH the mother (at this date anyrate) if his name was to be on the certificate.

I know nothing about Scottish certs, though!
Anne

[Lindag]

I've looked at two scottish births that I have and both have the childs surname on

Linda

[Olde Crone Holden]

On a Scottish birth cert (I have one here in front of me) column 1 is headed "Name and surname". Mine was a birth in 1879.

So yes, the names in the first column are name and surname (unlike English certs of that time, which inferred a surname).

OC

[Guest]

thanks everyone I was getting confused as the Fathers name on her marriage isnt David Gorrie but Henry Gorrie ? wondered if the parents had married , looks like they did .

[Olde Crone Holden]

Val

Why do you think the parents married?

OC

[Guest]

Isabella Glover 1911.jpgI get so confused on the scotlandpeoples site I think I have found her in 1911?
and the Mother is now Christina Glover shields ?

[Olde Crone Holden]

But she didn't marry Isabella's father (David Gorrie) so Isabella is still illegitimate.

I have one Scottish chap, illegitimate on his birth cert, but father named (like yours). When he marries, he gives his father's name, but also illegitimate in brackets. When he dies, his death cert also says illegitimate son of....

They don't mince their words in Scotland!

OC

[Guest]

oh I see she just uses his name as if she had been married? I dont understand why on the 1911 census Isabella is Isabella Glover and not Gorrie still ?
Sorry if I sound thick I probably am.

[Dubonnet lady]

Yes mines Scottish too.

And although she took her real father's name - she used it as a middle name, and was known as her mother's surname otherwise.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Christina Glover is mother of Isabella Gorrie, who is illegitimate and is the child of David gorrie.

In 1911, Christina Glover is now MRS Christina Glover SHIELDS. Her daughter is Isabella Glover, possibly because they forgot she had been registered as Gorrie and possibly because the neighbours all knew she was illegitimate and she was commonly known as Isabella Glover in the neighbourhood.

The younger children have the Shields surname, as you would expect.

OC

[Guest]

that makes more sense thanks Dorothy and OC for explaining. I used up so many credits on there cant believe how quickly they disappeared.