Edward Evans

[TheCamel]

I wonder if you would be good enough to cast your eyes over this one please.
Annie Elizabeth Evans was born in Llanfair Caereinion Mongomeryshire in 1880 to paretnts Edward Evans and Sarah Evans. I believe both Edward and Sarah were born in 1854 and it is possible that Evans was Sarah's maiden name as well as married name. From Ancestry it looks like Edward was born in Dolanog, Wales but there the trail stops. It looks like Sarah was born in the USA on one census return (cant recall which)but this does not seem to be the case on others.
I would really appreciate any help in confirming any details and taking the tree back further along these lines.
Many thanks

[margaretmarch]

Right. This looks like them in 1881 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=16254767
and it does indeed state Sarah was born in USA.
Margaret

[Elaine ..Spain]

So just to confirm, presume this is the 1881 census for them

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881wales&indiv=try&h=16254717

RG11; Piece: 5495; Folio: 37; Page: 5

[Mary from Italy]

But in the later censuses it says she was born in Wales.

1891:

Edward Evans, 37, head, farmer
Sarah Evans, 37, wife, farmer's wife
Thomas Evans, 12, son
Ann Evans, 10, daughter
Edward Evans, 9, son
John Evans, 7, son
Sarah Jane Evans, 6, daughter

all born in Llanfair except Sarah (Llanidloes), and living in Llanfair.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6897&iid=MGYRG12_4598_4600-0130&fn=Edward&ln=Evans&st=r&ssrc=&pid=29910514

1901:

Edward Evans, 45, head, farmer
Sarah Evans, 45, wife, wholesale poulterer
Thomas Evans, 22, son, farmer's son
Edward Evans 19, son, farmer's son
Sarah J Evans, 16, daughter
Albert E Evans, 3, grandson
Richard Bailey, 13, adopted son

all born and living in Llanfair

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7815&iid=MGYRG13_5199_5203-0876&fn=Sarah&ln=Evans&st=d&ssrc=&pid=32971900

[margaretmarch]

In 1891 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=29910514 and it now says Sarah born in Llanidloes and that she speaks both Welsh and English.

Could she be a second wife who happens to have the same name as the first?

Margaret

Oops! too slow with the census!

[TheCamel]

I didnt think of that - is there an easy way to find out?!

In 1891 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=29910514 and it now says Sarah born in Llanidloes and that she speaks both Welsh and English.

Could she be a second wife who happens to have the same name as the first?

Margaret

Oops! too slow with the census!

[MyAinFolk]

With common names like these, I think you really need to get copies of any birth, marriage and death certificates to make sure you don't end up following the wrong family. Edward and Sarah's marriage certificate should record who their fathers were and may help you to identify them in censuses prior to their marriage.

I found two possible marriages for an Edward Evans and Sarah Evans, based on their oldest son Thomas being born c.1877 (but there could well be others):
Mar Qtr 1876 - Llanfyllin 11b 287 - Edward Evans/ Sarah Evans / Catherine Edwards / Sylvanus Edwards
Dec Qtr 1876 - Llanfyllin 11b 398 - Edward Evans/Sarah Evans

I looked up these marriages on North Wales BMD at http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/ but no further details are given to help figure out which one may be correct.

Sarah's birthplace is given as America, United States in the 1881 Census.

Kirsty

[Elaine ..Spain]

Annie Elizabeth Evans was born in Llanfair Caereinion Mongomeryshire in 1880 to paretnts Edward Evans and Sarah Evans. I believe both Edward and Sarah were born in 1854 and it is possible that Evans was Sarah's maiden name as well as married name.

Can I ask why you believe Sarah's maiden name is Evans. Do you have a birth certificate of any of the children and/or the marriage certificate of Edward and Sarah?

[Elaine ..Spain]

I think we are all cross posting here! :D

[margaretmarch]

I didnt think of that - is there an easy way to find out?!

You could check for deaths between the census but with a name like Sarah Evans you are going to find it difficult. The best way is to get the birth cert for Annie Elizabeth and see what that says and also get one for one of the later children if any are born after the change in Sarah's birth place to see if the maiden name is different.

Margaret

[TheCamel]

Sorry I dont have certificates for anyone. I will go back to the paperwork I have to see why I had the feeling she might have been an Evans before marriage - this may be a red herring.

[MyAinFolk]

1911 Census shows that Edward and Sarah had been married 35 years which would fit with a 1876 marriage:

EVANS, Edward	Head	Married	M	58	1853	Farmer	Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
EVANS, Sarah	Wife	Married 35 years	F	58	1853		Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
EVANS, Edward	Son	Single	M	29	1882	Working On Farm	Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
EVANS, Sarah J	Daughter	Single	F	26	1885	House Work	Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
EVANS, Albert E	Son		M	13	1898		Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
EVANS, Allen	Son		M	4	1907		Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW
ROWSON, Edwmwd	Servant	Single	M	28	1883	Wagoner On Farm	Montgomeryshire Llanfair	VIEW

RG number: RG14	Piece: 33843	Reference: RG14PN33843 RG78PN1955 RD618 SD1 ED1 SN51
Registration District: Llanfyllin	Sub District: Llanfair	Enumeration District: 1	Parish: Llanfair Caeremion
Address: Upper Brynelen Llanfair			County: Montgomeryshire Kirsty

[margaretmarch]

Here's a birth for Annie

Annie Elizabeth Evans
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration district: Forden
Inferred County: Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 229

[Mary from Italy]

So if they'd been married 35 years in 1911, it's the same Sarah in all the censuses.

As Margaret said, you really need to get Annie Elizabeth's birth cert to get her mother's maiden name.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Annie Elizabeth Evans
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration district: Forden
Inferred County: Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 229

A birth for Llanfair should be in the registration district of Llanfyllin, although I can't see anything for an Annie Elizabeth at the moment!

[TheCamel]

Do you think it would be a source of embarrassment to admit one is from the USA when living in Wales at this time?!

[margaretmarch]

There's this marriage in Mar 1876

EDWARDS Catherine Llanfyllin 11b 287
EDWARDS Sylvanus Llanfyllin 11b 287
EVANS Edward Llanfyllin 11b 287
Evans Sarah Llanfyllin 11b 287

[Mary from Italy]

Do you think it would be a source of embarrassment to admit one is from the USA when living in Wales at this time?!

I wouldn't have thought so.

I did wonder if the enumerator might have written the birthplace in the wrong line, and it really belonged to somebody from the previous family, but I've just checked the Davis family in 1891, and they were all from Llanfair.

[TheCamel]

I will apply for Annie Elizabeth's birth certificate so that I have route for Sarah. Is there any mileage in looking at Edward - might be less problematic?!

[Mary from Italy]

As Evans is such a common surname you really need the marriage of Edward and Sarah, which will give you their fathers' Christian names. There are a couple of possible candidates for Edward in earlier censuses, but without being sure of his father's name, it's a bit risky to go further back.